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Claims of secondhand smoke risks don't pass science test
United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | 1-4-06 | Audrey Silk

Posted on 01/05/2006 6:57:14 AM PST by SheLion

Articles, editorials, op-eds and published letters in the pages of many of New Jersey's newspapers have been heavily lopsided in support of the effort to ban smoking in bars and restaurants. Each article or commentary seemingly has been designed to leave the reader with the perception that the supportive evidence presented is undeniable or that no contrary findings or opinion even exist.

Any claim that exposure to exhaled or sidestream smoke poses a threat to life is "indisputable" is false. There are studies and scientists who dispute it strongly. When New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg claimed his ban would save 1,000 workers' lives, the president of the American Council on Science and Health, who vehemently opposes smoking, wrote, "There is no evidence that any New Yorker — patron or employee — has ever died as a result of exposure to smoke in a bar or restaurant." Dr. Richard Doll, the scientist who first linked active smoking to lung cancer, said in a 2001 radio interview, "The effects of other people smoking in my presence is so small it doesn't worry me."

These statements, among many others, are based on the results of studies that found no long-term health risks, and even on studies that claim to find risks, because the science is so weak.

Since smoking bans are premised on protecting nonsmokers, this nonsense to ban smoking should stop right here. It is not a public health issue. However, the anti-smoking crusaders cloud the issue by also dragging in misapplied majority opinion. It's constitutionally unethical for the majority to tyrannize the minority.

But more importantly, polling the public to determine a private establishment owner's fate is indecent. No customer or employee — each free to be there or not — should be able to dictate the house's rules. And for the "my way or the highway" anti-smokers who don't get it, we mean smokers shouldn't either. Only one person's vote counts — the owner's.

The case that workers shouldn't have to leave an environment they don't like or hours that fit their personal needs is nothing more than emotional blackmail. Slavery ended a long time ago. No one is forced to do anything they don't like.

For the lawmakers who believe economics is the determining factor, New York City's sales tax revenue for bars and restaurants did not rise 8.7 percent, as claimed by agencies Bloomberg dispatched on the one-year anniversary (March 2004) of the city's ban. Not only were the figures distorted by including places like McDonald's and Starbucks as restaurants, but smoking was banned in 95 percent of restaurants since the 1995 smoking ban law. What pre- to post-ban restaurant tax revenue comparison was there to make? In all cases (notably bars), it's a no-brainer that sales tax revenue was artificially low immediately following 9/11. To compare the post-ban year to those figures is dishonest.

In April, the New York State Department of Taxation released a much more official review of sales tax revenue. When one compares the pre-ban year to the post-ban year, bars in New York City lost more than 3.5 percent. Statewide, as confirmed by a report in the New York Post May 2, sales tax revenue "dropped or remained relatively flat since the smoking ban went into effect July 2003."

Junk science, tyranny and cooked books is pitting neighbor against neighbor and has ruined or will ruin individual livelihoods. Unbelievable. Don't do it, New Jersey.

A note of disclosure: Our organization has no ties to the tobacco industry nor do we speak on the behalf of the hospitality industry.

Audrey Silk

FOUNDER
NYC CITIZENS LOBBYING
AGAINST SMOKER HARASSMENT
BROOKLYN


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To: T.Smith
The smokers microwave popcorn addicts in my office huddle around the front door microwave, stinking up the place with their second-hand popcorn smoke so that I can't get into through the office without wading through the smoke.
21 posted on 01/05/2006 7:50:52 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: DakotaRed

Thank you.


22 posted on 01/05/2006 7:51:32 AM PST by Gabz
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To: T.Smith

They huddle around the front door because they've been kicked out of the building.

Would you prefer them to stand in the middle of the street then?

Sheesh. You'll never satisfy a anti-smoker.


23 posted on 01/05/2006 7:51:45 AM PST by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: T.Smith

If the smokers were allowed to smoke in their offices, or at least in a "lounge" you wouldn't have that problem, would you?


24 posted on 01/05/2006 7:52:33 AM PST by Gabz
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To: RMDupree

GMTA!!!!!!!


25 posted on 01/05/2006 7:54:22 AM PST by Gabz
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To: T.Smith
The smokers in my office huddle around the front door

And WHY do they huddle around that front door?
Because they have been ejected from the building on the basis of junk science and scare tactics used by the anti-smokers. They can't even have a seperate room with a seperate ventilation system!

Maybe if they hadn't been FORCED out of the building you'd be able to walk in the front door without walking through their smoke.

26 posted on 01/05/2006 7:55:07 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Gabz

You got that right, chica.

They don't even see the irony in it. So sad.


27 posted on 01/05/2006 7:57:53 AM PST by RMDupree (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: T.Smith
In related news, second hand smoke still disgusting and obnoxious.

I'll tell ya what - you sit inside a closed garage with the car running for 30 minutes, and I'll sit inside the garage with a group of people smoking.

We'll see who makes it out alive.

28 posted on 01/05/2006 7:57:55 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: DakotaRed
I'm really surprised to see so many so-called Conservatives here jump on the Smoke Gnatzy band wagon and fail to see this isn't as much about smoking as it is control of the masses and denial of personal freedoms.

More like big government populists.

29 posted on 01/05/2006 8:00:21 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: elkfersupper; T.Smith
---In related news, second hand smoke still disgusting and obnoxious.

Nonetheless, quite benign in contrast to the ranting of anti-smokers.

But the humor at them coughing obnoxiously and waving their hands around like idiots around me when I'm in a mall with an unlit cigarette in my mouth is something to behold. Especially when I turn around to stare them in the face at their idiocy. When they see that the cigarette isn't smouldering, they sulk away; quite hilarious.
30 posted on 01/05/2006 8:01:52 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

It is hilarious!!!!!


31 posted on 01/05/2006 8:09:14 AM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion; WatchYourself
FWIW...

I have a friend who is a Board Certified Pulmologist...He is a doctor that I would take my own family to. And I don't say that about many doctor's.

We have had this discussion, and he say's that for adults long-term problems from second hand smoke is a bunch of hooey... Although, second-hand smoke does ( generally short-term..) contribute to health problems..( ie: ENT type problems..) in small children.

FWIW..........

32 posted on 01/05/2006 8:14:13 AM PST by Osage Orange (PC is BS)
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To: sgtbono2002

I have said all along that second hand smoke was a BS issue.

When the professional anti-smokers found out that their war on the smokers didn't work, they then went to the general non-smoking public, telling them that our smoke was killing them!

Can you imagine anyone believing that bunk?  Hundreds of years people breath in second hand smoke.  And just now it's a killer?  heh!


33 posted on 01/05/2006 8:14:22 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: WatchYourself
As far as the dangers of second-hand smoke, all I can say is I grew up in a chain-smoking household and I lived a very sick life up (breathing and hacking up muckus) until I turned 18 and left.

So did many of us.  But not very many of us experienced what you did.  I guess it just depends on our environment above all else.  A lot of different factors involved.  Know what I mean?

I have been heating my home with wood.  I live with sinus problems.  Plus, I live in farm country surrounded by all the junk the farmers lay down on their fields.  A lot of different things in the air around us.  Very hard to pin point just one devil. :)

34 posted on 01/05/2006 8:17:16 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: T.Smith; The Foolkiller
In related news, second hand smoke still disgusting and obnoxious.

So are several FReepers, we have come to find out.

35 posted on 01/05/2006 8:18:07 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: T.Smith
Typical. The smokers in my office huddle around the front door so that I can't get into the office without wading through the smoke. Still, I am bad for not liking the smoke and I am supposed to find a way to stay away from them

Are you saying they do this on purpose? I don't know how long your front door entrance is, but holding your breath for 4-5 steps isn't impossible. Maybe find a non-smoker friendly employer. I'm not trying to be an ass, but think about it. Since only you know what you don't like, why is it their responsibility to stay away from you? I can't stand the smell of some perfumes and colognes, but I would never expect the carriers of these smells to stay out of my way. It's much more effective for me to avoid them.

Your dislike of cigarette smoke doesn't make you a bad person at all. But trying to control the atmosphere of everywhere you decide to go isn't practical.

36 posted on 01/05/2006 8:18:20 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: elkfersupper

I think it all does, but as you know, fewer people smoke cigars and pipes than those who smoke cigarettes...


37 posted on 01/05/2006 8:19:25 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: T.Smith
In related news, second hand smoke still disgusting and obnoxious.

I always found out that if I hate something, I avoid it!

38 posted on 01/05/2006 8:19:48 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: RacerF150
Since only you know what you don't like, why is it their responsibility to stay away from you?

Bears repeating. Great point.
39 posted on 01/05/2006 8:22:17 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: T.Smith; RacerF150
Typical. The smokers in my office huddle around the front door so that I can't get into the office without wading through the smoke. Still, I am bad for not liking the smoke and I am supposed to find a way to stay away from them.

We used to have a separate room or smoking lounge while at work.  Blame the smokers huddling outside the door on the anti-smokers.  Remember the day at work when you never saw a smoker?   We had our own warm room indoors.

Smokers huddled outside are just as miserable as you.  It isn't the fault of the smokers.

40 posted on 01/05/2006 8:23:51 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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