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There Will Be No Civil Liberties If We Lose This War
The New Media Journal.us ^ | December 30, 2005 | Frank Salvato

Posted on 01/01/2006 2:55:51 PM PST by SunSetSam

December 30, 2005 - The argument over whether President Bush has the authority to direct the National Security Agency to listen in on the conversations of suspected terrorists on US soil is split primarily into two camps; those who believe we are engaged in a war for our very survival against radical Islam and those who believe – and always have – that terrorism operates under a set of rules that govern its actions and therefore should be treated as a law enforcement issue. This is just another example of why there should have been a formal declaration of war after September 11, 2001.

It needs to be repeated as many times as necessary until every single American acknowledges this supposition as a distinct possibility; should we lose this war against radical Islam and the terror it uses to breed fear and submission, our way of life, our government and our country, will cease to exist as we know it.

Those on the “progressive” left have just begun mentally chewing on what for them is a gargantuan idea, that the military conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq are but battles in a much more monumental war. Those who understand the danger facing our country have come to the realization that there are two major fronts in our struggle for survival; the physical front (locations of armed conflict) and the ideological front (where the battles for the mind of a society take place).

It is very important to be victorious on the physical battlefields and so far we have been successful. As much as the “progressive” left and the mainstream media would have us believe that we are struggling to achieve victory, the evidence of our success is overwhelming and validated by the millions of purple fingers we have seen in Iraq over the course of three truly free elections. It is further evidenced by the free elections in Afghanistan and accurate polling of both countries that indicate their people believe that their “future’s so bright they have to wear shades.”

If we are to compare Iraq to Vietnam in any way at all it would have to be in contrast. US military efforts in Iraq stand as testimony to the idea that if allowed to do their jobs, and complete their mission devoid of interference from the “progressive” elite in Washington DC and their blind followers who haven’t the vision to see past the daily protest march, the US military will always be victorious. They are superiorly trained and equipped, and motivated by the desire to fight for the freedom of oppressed people rather than, by gutless default, pave the way for tyranny.

More difficult than armed conflict, the ideological front is a battle for the will of our society and is already taking place on our own soil. The controversy over the NSA directive issued by President Bush is a prime example.

Again it needs to be repeated as often as need be; should we lose this war against the oppressive mandates of radical Islam our country will cease to exist as we know it. There will be no civil liberties. There will be no judicial recourse. There will be no petitioning of our government. There will be no First Amendment rights, or Second, or Third. If we fail to be victorious over the fundamentalist zealots who promote radical Islam, not only as a religion but as a totalitarian way of life, this “experiment in democracy” that is our government will be, if texts other than the Quran are even allowed, a short chapter in The History of Infidel North America Before Islam.

It is ironic then that an organization such as the American Civil Liberties Union is fighting for the “rights” of those who would dismantle and outlaw the ACLU, if not behead its leaders, should radical Islam be victorious.

It is paradoxical then that defense lawyers are attempting to have courts overturn the convictions of confessed terrorists and self-avowed al Qaeda operatives. For these lawyers to stand on principle is one thing, for them to stand on principle only to see their freed clients return to the battle against the very principles used to free them is quite another.

It is reckless for “progressive” politicians and activists to be arguing points of order regarding the president’s execution of this war effort when the same points of order, directives and tactics have been used by past presidents and validated by established courts and authorities. In fact, their obstinate refusal to acknowledge recorded history can very well be considered aiding and abetting the enemy and there are consequences for those actions written into the Constitution, unlike the mounting number of fictitious rights frequently referred to by the “progressive” left.

In an effort to safeguard the ideological liberties the Framers had in mind at the writings of the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution, the “progressive” left is willing to enable our enemies to use our own system to bring about our country’s demise. If the “progressive” left is truly supporting our troops and if they truly want to win the war against the encroaching influence of radical Islam and the terror they use to victimize all who stand in their way, if they are really on our side then it is time for their actions to speak for them instead of their words. So far their words have been selfishly divisive and irresponsible. It is beyond naïve to believe that their words are not being put to good use in the ideological battle our enemy is ruthlessly waging against us.


TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1984; domesticspying; doublespeak; franksalvato; homelandsecurity; islamofascism; nsa; orwellian; perpetualwar; salvato; slaveryisfreedom; spying
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The writer nails this one. I am amazed the "civil liberatarians" have no care whatsoever for how their efforts will hurt the American people as a whole.
1 posted on 01/01/2006 2:55:54 PM PST by SunSetSam
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To: SunSetSam

Lose and become Iran.


2 posted on 01/01/2006 2:58:42 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: SunSetSam

Welcome to FR.


3 posted on 01/01/2006 3:00:15 PM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: SunSetSam

"I am amazed the "civil liberatarians" have no care whatsoever for how their efforts will hurt the American people as a whole."

Don't be. The ACLU crowd are a classic example of "the man that cut off his nose to spite his face."


4 posted on 01/01/2006 3:00:47 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ncountylee

"Lose and become Iran."

Yup. Couldn't have said it better.

Freedom isn't free.


5 posted on 01/01/2006 3:01:20 PM PST by DougJ
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To: ncountylee
Lose and become Iran.

Win and become what? A country where the rule of law is only adhered to when convenient?

6 posted on 01/01/2006 3:01:20 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: SunSetSam
Maybe when a few Liberals are at a cafe, and the sudden burst of light and fire erupts around them, will finally understand this one point. What good are civil liberties if YOU'RE DEAD!
7 posted on 01/01/2006 3:01:31 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: SunSetSam

You bet he nails it. There's not a supposition in this piece that I would disagree with it.


8 posted on 01/01/2006 3:03:12 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Sola Veritas

That is because they are so obsessed in one area that they lose perspective regarding the complete issue.


9 posted on 01/01/2006 3:04:19 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SunSetSam
This is just another example of why there should have been a formal declaration of war after September 11, 2001.

Against whom?

Those on the “progressive” left have just begun mentally chewing on what for them is a gargantuan idea, that the military conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq are but battles in a much more monumental war. Those who understand the danger facing our country have come to the realization that there are two major fronts in our struggle for survival; the physical front (locations of armed conflict) and the ideological front (where the battles for the mind of a society take place).

These are major battles in a larger war. Every time a terrorist is killed or a terrorist cell ripped apart, a minor skirmish is won. Yet the minor skirmish is a major battle to those specific combatants.

The writer nails this one. I am amazed the "civil liberatarians" have no care whatsoever for how their efforts will hurt the American people as a whole.

What makes you think they don't want the Islamists to win. What has the ACLU done in my lifetime (55 years) to suggest that they want the United States to exist as a going concern or exist at all, for that matter?

10 posted on 01/01/2006 3:08:58 PM PST by stevem
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To: SunSetSam
There Will Be No Civil Liberties If We Lose This War

Sure there will, as long as you convert to worshipping the moon god at a fever pitch, and you're not a woman or a small farm animal with your rear end exposed.

11 posted on 01/01/2006 3:09:59 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: stevem
Against whom?

The War against the Barbary Pirates is an excellent example that should have been followed. Warfare need not be against a specific nation or state.

12 posted on 01/01/2006 3:13:04 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: stevem
What makes you think they don't want the Islamists to win. What has the ACLU done in my lifetime (55 years) to suggest that they want the United States to exist as a going concern or exist at all, for that matter?

The ACLU, a lot of the Democrats, and the Islamic nut cases all have the same goal - destroy this country.

13 posted on 01/01/2006 3:18:22 PM PST by penowa
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To: SunSetSam
Great article, yet the author pretty much regards the left as loyal opposition. They are not. They share the same near term goal of the islamists, the military defeat of the US.

The end goal of the left after our defeat is the creation of a utopian socialist society. They will (ab)use our Constitution to get there.
14 posted on 01/01/2006 3:21:25 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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15 posted on 01/01/2006 3:22:23 PM PST by devolve (<-- (-in a manner reminiscent of Senator Gasbag F. Kohnman-)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Licoln suspended habeas corpus; FDR locked people up in a mental hospital for the duration.

A little domestic spying is the LEAST of people's civil liberties problems: unless you are a terrorist.


16 posted on 01/01/2006 3:22:34 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: devolve
Victory is a strategy.

Someone needs to tell Murtha that cowards cut and run, Marines never do.

17 posted on 01/01/2006 3:25:43 PM PST by stevem
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To: Non-Sequitur
I love when people with no historical perspective, no knowledge of history, and no regard for a very real enemy decide to post. Do a little research and look up what Lincoln, FDR, and Clinton did to protect national security. Despite the fact that Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, FDR interned anybody who looked Japanese, and Clinton did unwarranted searches on a suspected Russian spy (it's amazing that now Clinton has to politically separate himself from one of the few times he did the right thing) civil liberties to do anything that doesn't include Christian beliefs are at an all time high.
18 posted on 01/01/2006 3:31:16 PM PST by SunSetSam
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To: clee1
Licoln suspended habeas corpus; FDR locked people up in a mental hospital for the duration.

Lincoln didn't violate the law when doing it. And I'd be interested in documentation on your FDR claims.

A little domestic spying is the LEAST of people's civil liberties problems: unless you are a terrorist.

And who decided who is a terrorist?

19 posted on 01/01/2006 3:32:20 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Win and become what? A country where the rule of law is only adhered to when convenient?

Classic heads-I-win-tails-you-lose scenario.

20 posted on 01/01/2006 3:32:37 PM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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