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There Will Be No Civil Liberties If We Lose This War
The New Media Journal.us ^ | December 30, 2005 | Frank Salvato

Posted on 01/01/2006 2:55:51 PM PST by SunSetSam

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To: Sola Veritas
Don't be. The ACLU crowd are a classic example of "the man that cut off his nose to spite his face."

Yep. It's Realpolitik at its zenitith. Started by avowed socialists/communists hiding behind the veneer of a lofty sounding name, promoting ideals they frame as "protecting constitutional liberties," all while systematically eroding the foundations and culture of America to promote its own selfish world view. They are very good at pulling in naive up-and-comers out of law school and hooking them to the cause by partnering them with bitter ideologues.

41 posted on 01/01/2006 4:19:38 PM PST by 101st-Eagle
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To: mosquewatch.com

'Give me liberty or give me death'

'Live free or die; Death is not the worst of evils'


42 posted on 01/01/2006 4:30:08 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: Dan Evans
and if my Aunt had gonads she would be my Uncle..... At one time in America, passengers were allowed to carry weapons on commercial airlines. I suggest we would be safer if that were allowed again. And you aunt could still be your aunt if she had gonads. Look it up.

Bet you are good at picking fly feces out of pepper as well.....

43 posted on 01/01/2006 4:32:43 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: KDD

You kind sir...just may end up "Dead" right....


44 posted on 01/01/2006 4:34:11 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: SunSetSam

The left in the country would be satisfied with the sloppy seconds the Islamists leave if they are allowed the facade of power.


45 posted on 01/01/2006 4:35:07 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: 101st-Eagle
Started by avowed socialists/communists hiding behind the veneer of a lofty sounding name, promoting ideals they frame as "protecting constitutional liberties,"

Groups like the ACLU are very selective about the liberties they protect. They could care less about 2nd amendment rights. But we are in this WOT mess because our liberties were taken away.

We once had the right to carry weapons anywhere. We once had freedom of association without being threatened with discrimination lawsuits.

But today the constraints that the Constitution applied to the government are reversed and the Constitution is now standing on its head.

For example, an airline crew ejected a group of Arabs who were taking a suspicious interest in the cockpit door latch before the flight. But the airline was sued for this act of racial profiling.

If we are reduced to acting like sheep they are going to cut our throats.

46 posted on 01/01/2006 4:35:12 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
Bet you are good at picking fly feces out of pepper as well.....

Why don't you at least make an attempt to address the issue?

47 posted on 01/01/2006 4:38:45 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: elkfersupper
How did habeas corpus get restored and how did the Japanese get out of internment camps.
48 posted on 01/01/2006 4:39:50 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: redpoll

Liberals think that Islamists are useful idiots.

Islamists think the same thing about liberals.

Only one group is prepared to act though.


49 posted on 01/01/2006 4:41:10 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

That's ridiculous. Win and remain the great, free nation we are.


50 posted on 01/01/2006 4:44:56 PM PST by alnick
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To: Non-Sequitur

Nor did President Bush break the law. A leftist making an accusation does not make it so.


51 posted on 01/01/2006 4:48:51 PM PST by alnick
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To: PresbyRev

Go sit in a cafe' in Israel, Bali, Darfur, and when the ball bearings and nails start to fly into your flesh, ripping apart men, women, and children spout that. I personally would rather make the enemy die for his belief, and stay alive.

Jeff


52 posted on 01/01/2006 4:51:24 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: SunSetSam
I am amazed the "civil liberatarians" have no care whatsoever for how their efforts will hurt the American people as a whole.

Do you honestly believe that the Islamo-fascists are capable of conquering the U.S.?

53 posted on 01/01/2006 4:58:10 PM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: SunSetSam
I'm new here so I'm not sure if I'm posting this to the right spot...

I don't believe that we have to give up our freedom in order to be more safe. First of all, I'm not afraid of a terrorist..I'm not afraid, and I refuse to change my life because of what someone may or may not do to me. In my view, that is letting them win. I just don't believe it's worth giving our freedom up for..Our president says that they hate us for our freedom, well why give them what they want, and make ourselves less free? Secondly, if you are afraid go into "protective custody" or go hide behind mommies skirt, because I don't want to give up my freedom because you're a chicken...I'm really confused about the changes my party is going through right now. I never thought I would witness the party I have always associated with courage and strengh wimp out like it is right now.
54 posted on 01/01/2006 5:20:53 PM PST by conservativehoney (I don't ask for handouts, so why should I handout to others??)
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To: JTN
I know they are capable of killing us by the thousands. Civil Libertarians see this as acceptable losses to protect their selective opinion of what "civil liberties" are.
55 posted on 01/01/2006 5:27:05 PM PST by SunSetSam
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To: conservativehoney

Interesting first post.

Welcome and good luck.


56 posted on 01/01/2006 5:43:07 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: JTN

Yes.


57 posted on 01/01/2006 5:43:24 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: SunSetSam
I know they are capable of killing us by the thousands. Civil Libertarians see this as acceptable losses to protect their selective opinion of what "civil liberties" are.

Selective opinion? I'm not selective about it.

BTW

If you could truly achieve one goal by removing emphasis from the other, then the least free states would be the most secure, and the most free would be on the brink of collapse, right?

Let's take nine of the countries that recently received the highest score (1) from Freedom House's annual survey of global civil liberties: Australia, Belgium, Canada, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, Mauritius, Taiwan, the United States, Uruguay.

Now let's take the nine countries that received the lowest score of 7: Burma, Cuba, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Turkmenistan. I dunno, which group looks more "secure" to you?

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I would suggest that a fella can believe with perfect sincerity -- even without succumbing to libertarian panic -- that liberty and security are complementary, not mutually exclusive. The proverbial "challenge in the coming debate," or at least one of them, is to re-insert that idea back on the table when the Wise Men decide which Founding Principle to ignore next.


58 posted on 01/01/2006 5:49:15 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum." - They Live)
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To: SunSetSam; 2111USMC; ArmyTeach; JLO; kristinn; Alamo-Girl; All

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59 posted on 01/01/2006 5:49:17 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: brytlea
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but, didn't a supreme court judge once say, I can't describe pornography, but I know it when I see it.

In my opinion, the same thing holds true for terrorist. You know your enemy by the cut of their cloth.

60 posted on 01/01/2006 5:58:09 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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