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Partial Ingredients For DNA And Protein Found Around Star
NASA via ScienceDaily.com ^ | 2005-12-30 | NA

Posted on 12/31/2005 1:32:58 AM PST by neverdem

Partial Ingredients For DNA And Protein Found Around Star NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has discovered some of life's most basic ingredients in the dust swirling around a young star. The ingredients - gaseous precursors to DNA and protein - were detected in the star's terrestrial planet zone, a region where rocky planets such as Earth are thought to be born.

The findings represent the first time that these gases, called acetylene and hydrogen cyanide, have been found in a terrestrial planet zone outside of our own.

"This infant system might look a lot like ours did billions of years ago, before life arose on Earth," said Fred Lahuis of Leiden Observatory in the Netherlands and the Dutch space research institute called SRON. Lahuis is lead author of a paper to be published in the Jan. 10 issue of the Astrophysical Journal Letters.

Lahuis and his colleagues spotted the organic, or carbon-containing, gases around a star called IRS 46. The star is in the Ophiuchus (pronounced OFF-ee-YOO-kuss), or "snake carrier," constellation about 375 light-years from Earth. This constellation harbors a huge cloud of gas and dust in the process of a major stellar baby boom. Like most of the young stars here and elsewhere, IRS 46 is circled by a flat disk of spinning gas and dust that might ultimately clump together to form planets.

When the astronomers probed this star's disk with Spitzer's powerful infrared spectrometer instrument, they were surprised to find the molecular "barcodes" of large amounts of acetylene and hydrogen cyanide gases, as well as carbon dioxide gas. The team observed 100 similar young stars, but only one, IRS 46, showed unambiguous signs of the organic mix.

"The star's disk was oriented in just the right way to allow us to peer into it," said Lahuis.

The Spitzer data also revealed that the organic gases are hot. So hot, in fact, that they are most likely located near the star, about the same distance away as Earth is from our sun.

"The gases are very warm, close to or somewhat above the boiling point of water on Earth," said Dr. Adwin Boogert of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena. "These high temperatures helped to pinpoint the location of the gases in the disk."

Organic gases such as those found around IRS 46 are found in our own solar system, in the atmospheres of the giant planets and Saturn's moon Titan, and on the icy surfaces of comets. They have also been seen around massive stars by the European Space Agency's Infrared Space Observatory, though these stars are thought to be less likely than sun-like stars to form life-bearing planets.

Here on Earth, the molecules are believed to have arrived billions of years ago, possibly via comets or comet dust that rained down from the sky. Acetylene and hydrogen cyanide link up together in the presence of water to form some of the chemical units of life's most essential compounds, DNA and protein. These chemical units are several of the 20 amino acids that make up protein and one of the four chemical bases that make up DNA.

"If you add hydrogen cyanide, acetylene and water together in a test tube and give them an appropriate surface on which to be concentrated and react, you'll get a slew of organic compounds including amino acids and a DNA purine base called adenine," said Dr. Geoffrey Blake of Caltech, a co-author of the paper. "And now, we can detect these same molecules in the planet zone of a star hundreds of light-years away."

Follow-up observations with the W.M. Keck Telescope atop Mauna Kea in Hawaii confirmed the Spitzer findings and suggested the presence of a wind emerging from the inner region of IRS 46's disk. This wind will blow away debris in the disk, clearing the way for the possible formation of Earth-like planets.

The Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the Spitzer Space Telescope mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science Center at Caltech. JPL is a division of Caltech. Spitzer's infrared spectrograph was built by Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. Its development was led by Dr. Jim Houck of Cornell.

For graphics and more information about Spitzer, visit http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/spitzer . For more information about NASA and agency programs on the Web, visit http://www.nasa.gov/home/ .

Editor's Note: The original news release can be found here.

This story has been adapted from a news release issued by National Aeronautics And Space Administration.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: astronomy; chemistry; dna; helixmakemineadouble; nasa; panspermia; science; spitzer; spitzertelescope; xplanets
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To: CarrotAndStick
Spectroscopy

Molecular spectrosity from how many years ago?

The star is in the Ophiuchus (pronounced OFF-ee-YOO-kuss), or "snake carrier," constellation about 375 light-years from Earth.

Images of distant stars being most often many centuries and millenniums old, are no things corporeal. The actual objects have ceased to exist as perceived and are phantasms, mere ghosts of what once was.

...Dr. Geoffrey Blake of Caltech, a co-author of the paper. "And now, we can detect these same molecules in the planet zone of a star hundreds of light-years away."

He should logically say we can only detect evidence of their past. He should know better, a lot of these guys should.

I know, it is a petty point, but it is those petty points that screw up complex research and gives the critics of your findings an avenue of attack...

41 posted on 12/31/2005 6:53:23 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
"Yeah, and iron ore is a precursor to a car. And a car is a lot less complex than DNA."

Actually, a car is much more complex than DNA. Study the methods used in computer image rendering and you'll discover that to define the precise curves of every component of a car would require a nearly infinite amount of information.

Plus, DNA is made up of only 4 components. While a car is made of steel, rubber, glass, plastic of many different forms, leather (if it's a BMW), cloth, carpet, paint, lead, acid. New cars have silicon, doped with various chemicals in various patterns making semiconductors that are quite complex all by themselves, which are then attached via solder to complex multi layered boards we call "circuits".

Should I go on?

The minimum DNA required to start life I suspect would be quite simple. And once life starts, evolution begins, which as demonstrated by Caltech's Digital Life Lab would then add complexity continually.

42 posted on 12/31/2005 6:55:36 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: neverdem
"This infant system might look a lot like ours did billions of years ago, before life arose on Earth," said Fred Lahuis of Leiden Observatory in the Netherlands ...

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And He said: "ARISE! EVOLVE!"

Oops. Wrong religion. Sorry.

:-)

43 posted on 12/31/2005 6:56:42 AM PST by manwiththehands (My wish for the new year: I wish Republicans were running the country.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I know, it is a petty point, but it is those petty points that screw up complex research and gives the critics of your findings an avenue of attack...

Your petty point is meaningless. The research demonstrates that star systems can generate the chemicals. Whether it did so 375 years ago, or last week, is meaningless to the question of whether they do this.

44 posted on 12/31/2005 6:57:58 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Aracelis
Sigh.

Let's not get our panties in a wad.

What concentrations? And are they racemic mixtures?

Cheers!

45 posted on 12/31/2005 6:59:39 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: manwiththehands
And He said: "ARISE! EVOLVE!" Oops. Wrong religion. Sorry.

Are you trying to say that any faith is as believable as science? Or that science is as untrustworthy as faith?

46 posted on 12/31/2005 7:00:01 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: bobdsmith

connectthedots, I believe, is the one who stated on another thread that evolution would require simultaneous identical mutations in a mating pair.


47 posted on 12/31/2005 7:02:05 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: neverdem

Wow, how in the world were they able to collect the samples and bring them back to earth for analysis?


48 posted on 12/31/2005 7:02:28 AM PST by Dustbunny (Socialist/Liberal/Progressive/Communist/Marxist are todays Democrats)
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To: narby
"The minimum DNA required to start life I suspect would be quite simple. And once life starts, evolution begins, which as demonstrated by Caltech's Digital Life Lab would then add complexity continually."
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last I checked we have never produced life from inanimate chemicals so what is "quite simple" here?? DNA- mRNA convey information, what was the source of that information - do precursors found in "space" contain information on how to grow a simple organism?? show me the data to support that..cal tech digital life is mental masturbation.
49 posted on 12/31/2005 7:03:25 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
LOL, at least you now admit that ID is possible and is a science even if done by humans..

Sure "ID" is possible by humans. What's amazing is that the fact that humans weren't around 4 billion years ago just skipped right off your brain.

You really don't get it, do you?

50 posted on 12/31/2005 7:03:28 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
cal tech digital life is mental masturbation.

Actually it's software. Software that mimics the workings of DNA random mutation and environmental selection quite well. And demolishes the contentions that evolution processes can't accumulate information.

51 posted on 12/31/2005 7:06:37 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
" ID is a science in bio tech and it is IMO not an unreasonable explanation for life and the Universe."

ID in that case has nothing to do with how the universe was created, or how life started, how life evolved. ID'ers/creationists are intellectually dishonest when they attempt to equate the design that humans make with the designer they believe created the universe. There is simply no way to logically connect the two. The only intelligent designer we have any evidence for is humans. That's it. That's why the ID movement is no different than the astrology movement, or the Scientology movement.
52 posted on 12/31/2005 7:09:23 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: narby
"Actually it's software. Software that mimics the workings of DNA random mutation and environmental selection quite well. And demolishes the contentions that evolution processes can't accumulate information."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>................
Yes and we have weather software models that can predict global warming in the next 100 yrs but can't tell if it will rain on Tuesday in NYC! the classic GIGO.
53 posted on 12/31/2005 7:10:07 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Dustbunny

"Wow, how in the world were they able to collect the samples and bring them back to earth for analysis?"

Spectroscopy. It's not a new technology.


54 posted on 12/31/2005 7:10:43 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: ConsentofGoverned
classic GIGO

Do you trust your bank statement?

55 posted on 12/31/2005 7:15:07 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Spectroscopy. It's not a new technology.

LOL, sorry, I knew that. I forgot my /sarcasm tag.

56 posted on 12/31/2005 7:17:38 AM PST by Dustbunny (Socialist/Liberal/Progressive/Communist/Marxist are todays Democrats)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
What passes for science today is group think . . . they are the league of small minds who sprue this hyped trash.

Yeah! Scientists are just stoopid! What has science ever given us? Huh? Huh? Bunch of hyped trash, that's what! Right on!

57 posted on 12/31/2005 7:18:25 AM PST by atlaw
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To: connectthedots
Here's some background reading for you. Although this link discusses visible light, the same principle applies to the entire electromagnetic spectrum.

Be sure to come back and share your expert opinion.
58 posted on 12/31/2005 7:19:24 AM PST by clyde asbury (Atomic Amish)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"The only intelligent designer we have any evidence for is humans. That's it. That's why the ID movement is no different than the astrology movement, or the Scientology movement."
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I do not discount allegory as a method to put information in form Humans can understand. Science is another way but which has shaped the evolution of society most? IMO both have power. ID is a science..so now we argue about it's roots..It's OK with many ID supporters to have Evolution taught in schools but the reverse is an anathema to you and your group. If ID is discredited with new evidence showing the creation of life by random actions or the creation of a new species by random effects so be it..but why have we no proof of either?
59 posted on 12/31/2005 7:21:41 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
ID is a science..

ID is a hypothesis. With nothing whatsoever to back it up, and no way to falsify it, thus it can never be scientific.

60 posted on 12/31/2005 7:26:00 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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