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One is by rail; two is by sea
The Roanoke Times ^ | December 18, 2005 | The Roanoke Times

Posted on 12/18/2005 4:23:14 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

One is by rail; two is by sea

The United States must prepare for the inevitable day when fuel oil supplies run short. If the White House won't lead, the states should.

The Roanoke Times

Gov.-elect Tim Kaine's transportation listening tour has brought out the rail enthusiasts along the congested Interstate 81 corridor.

The need for massive improvements, including dedicated truck lanes and expensive tolls, could be avoided if only truck traffic were diverted off the highways and onto the railroads, chants the rising chorus of rail enthusiasts.

They have a point. But making the case on congestion alone won't sway the argument.

Running short on fuel oil should. The world, according to energy experts, has either reached or is nearing peak oil supply. That isn't to say that we've pumped oil reserves dry, but that much of it will remain inaccessible to today's technology that would consume as much energy extracting the oil as it would produce.

"Oil peaking represents a liquid fuels problem, not an 'energy crisis' in the sense that term has often been used," said Dr. Robert L. Hirsch, energy consultant and former chairman of the Board on Energy and Environmental Systems at the National Academies, while testifying Dec. 7 before the House Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality. "Motor vehicles, aircraft, trains and ships simply have no ready alternative to liquid fuels."

Matthew Simmons, investment banker and author of "Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy" warns, "The idea that this (energy crunch ) is just another spike is the greatest myth of all time."

One of Simmons' suggestions to keep the economy from collapsing once fuel oil becomes scarce is to move freight off the highways and ship goods by the more energy-efficient means of rails and barges.

But it is difficult to entice industry and the government to begin thinking that way when fuel remains relatively inexpensive, the state of "our railroads would make Bulgaria embarrassed" and the time to move goods is extended.

Simmons said that shipping freight from San Diego to Portland, Maine, takes 4.5 days by truck, 12.5 days by barge and 25 days by train. With abundant, cheap fuel, the incentive to move off road is nonexistent.

The challenge for leaders is to project the future, energy-efficient modes of transportation and to persuade the public and industry of the need and means to arrive there. That type of leadership is absent from the White House. The Bush administration's Energy Policy Act ignores the impending liquid fuels crunch, and continues pushing Alaska's limited oil reserves as the saving fuel.

The United States cannot afford to wait three more years to get started, which leaves the initiative to the states.

But Virginia, even with Kaine's favorable view of rail improvements, can't rebuild transcontinental lines. The new governor can spur his counterparts in the I-81 corridor to make ready the way for when fuel oil runs short.

Precedents already exist for such alliances, as when states joined together to address greenhouse gas emissions while the administration foolishly pretended global warming was a myth.

Impending fuel shortages are just as real.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: economy; efficiency; energy; fueloil; fuelshortages; globalwarming; i81; interstate81; kaine; matthewsimmons; oil; oilshock; oilshortages; peakoil; rail; roads; shipping; timkaine; trains; trucks; virginia
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To: Fierce Allegiance
..both more expensive than hemp seed oil.

Also less btu/gal..

21 posted on 12/18/2005 9:38:38 PM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Roanoke is a railroad town. Norfolk Southern to be precise. The article ignores the principal fuel used by a locomotive: diesel oil. Even the eletric trains found in Europe require a source of energy to generate the electricity. France and Belgium have lots of nuclear reactors. The electric infrastructure in the U.S. is already in need of upgrade, but principally functions off coal, gas and oil. We need more nuclear and hydro power.
22 posted on 12/18/2005 10:52:57 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Oil will never fall short as new resources are replaced and new deposits are developed. I call BS


23 posted on 12/18/2005 10:54:31 PM PST by Porterville (Keep your communism off my paycheck)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Gee Let's prepare for the future by rushing BACK to 19th Century technology! This is just too stupid to even waste time on. Peak Oil is pure "Global Warming" style Environmental wacko propaganda. Anyone talking about "Peak Oil" is so completely out of touch with basic reality that anything they say is obvious garbage. Gee "Objective Journalists" how about talking to Oil Industry people who actually KNOW what they are talking about instead of merely reprinting your pet Gov's Press Release as a "news" story???? What to get off Oil pump as much as you can and burn it quick as you can. The ONLY way Oil is going to go away is when the Market finds it cost effective to market an alternative. All this squealing for an Old Soviet Union style command drive alternative will work JUST as good as a Stalin 5 year plan or Mao's "Great Leap Forward". Government is NOT the solution to this problem, GOVERMENT is CREATING the problem.


24 posted on 12/18/2005 10:58:51 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: boris
The answer is nuclear power. With sufficient cheap energy, any amount of synfuels can be manufactured.

You could have a nuclear-powered locomotive, too, with a closed-cycle gas-turbine engine.

25 posted on 12/19/2005 6:56:28 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

I'll take two!


26 posted on 12/19/2005 8:39:14 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: mvpel
It would be enormous. Imagine a train wreck with a nuclear loco. I happen to live about a mile from a major rail line and frequently wonder how the folks whose houses are right up next to it can stand the noise. Imagine the NIMBY reaction to a nuclear locomotive. To carry enough shielding would result in gigantism. Familiarize yourself with the technical issues that killed the nuclear airplane and look into Project Pluto. You might even look at the studies of the outcomes of a crash of a nuclear aircraft. Double-plus ungood.

--Boris

27 posted on 12/19/2005 5:35:55 PM PST by boris
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"The Big Pig (yes, that's a deliberate slur) is a highway tunnel project. It has nothing (as far as I know) to do with mass transit."

It does indeed.

--Boris

28 posted on 12/19/2005 5:37:53 PM PST by boris
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To: Chief Engineer
Both the barge and train numbers are off, the train figure is much too high and the barge figure is way too low.

I wondered about the barge going from Portland, Maine to San Diego in 12.5 days! That trip would have to go by way of the Panama Canal, and barges are rather slow. I think it would be closer to a month.
29 posted on 12/19/2005 6:56:40 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: boris
Nuclear power should used to supply electricity for railway electrification, proven technology with tens of thousands of mile of electrified lines around the world. I think in France it is already the case that most trains are powered by nuclear power via electrification. With this system energy lost in braking is actually returned to the electrical grid rather than wasted as heat.
30 posted on 12/19/2005 7:01:53 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
I never heard this about cost allocation, but it seems credible. Is there further documentation on this?

We are told that it's impossible for railroads to make a profit on passenger service; this might be true for all I know, but it's never been put to a fair test. Of course Amtrak loses money hand over fist; that's what usually happens when the government runs a business.

31 posted on 12/20/2005 4:21:31 AM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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