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Shazam! What Took So Long?
Citizen Soldier ^ | December 2005 | Stella L. Jatras

Posted on 12/11/2005 2:57:01 AM PST by Doctor13

What took so long for it to become obvious that Bosnia and other parts of the Balkans are the launching pad for terrorist attacks in Europe?

The Washington Post writes on 1 December, "Terrorist Cells Find Foothold in Balkans." What a revelation! The fact is, Bosnia became a launching pad as far back as 1992 when the Bosnian Muslim government of Alija Izetbegovic - the government that was supported by the Clinton administration - issued a passport to Osama bin Laden which he used to visit Bosnia and Kosovo on several occasions.

More and more newspapers are finally beginning to expose Bosnia's connection to terrorism cells. A UPI article in The Washington Times of 1 December headlined "Balkans seen as terrorist training ground" reported:

Recent arrests confirm the belief that parts of the Balkans are becoming a launching pad for terrorist attacks in Europe, authorities say. One example came in an apartment occupied by an underground group aiming to blow up the British Embassy in Sarajevo, Western intelligence officials told The Washington Post. There they found explosives, rifles, other arms and a videotape pledging vengeance for the "brothers" killed fighting Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq. Islamic radicals reportedly want to create cells of so-called 'white' al-Qaida, non-Arab members who can avoid racial profiling used to spot potential terrorists.

In 2003, Brendan O'Neill wrote in The [UK] Spectator, "The Bosnian war taught Islamic terrorists to operate abroad. For all the millions of words written about al-Qaeda since the 9/11 attacks two years ago, one phenomenon is consistently overlooked -- the role of the Bosnian war in transforming the mujahedin of the 1980s into the roving Islamic terrorists today."

Will these latest revelations receive as little attention as the report in 1996 in The Houston Chronicle when NATO forces uncovered a terrorist training camp in Bosnia with weapons and explosives? Most disturbing was a cache of ingenious bombs - some made out of children's toys." (my emphasis) Also discovered was a satellite dish giving the mujahedin the capability to communicate between Bosnia and Iran.

The Houston Chronicle further stated that U.S. Admiral Leighton Smith, commander of NATO forces in Bosnia, said as he toured the area, "No one can escape the obvious, that there is terrorist training activity going on in this building and it has direct association with people in the government," referring to the Bosnian Muslim government.

But it gets even more bizarre. Discovered also was a makeup room with charts instructing how to change eye color using contact lenses, peroxide bottles to alter hair color, and a dozen beards and mustaches to use as disguises. In classrooms, instructors had laid out mock-ups of installations. Notebooks detailed the daily lives of possible targets and manuals showed how to build bombs out of children's toys. "There is no military value to these types of devices; rigging toys is an act of terror," (my emphasis) said Col Brian Hoey, a NATO spokesman. His fellow spokesman, Col. John T. Kirkwood, added: "I never saw John Wayne rip the head off a plastic doll and throw it." (my emphasis)

President Bush accuses Iran of sending armed insurgents into Iraq, but where was the outrage when a 1997 Senate Republican Policy Committee report stated, "Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base"? While exposing the Iranian connection to the Balkan war, the report also states that "Perhaps most threatening to the SFOR mission - and more importantly, to the safety of the American personnel serving in Bosnia - is the unwillingness of the Clinton Administration to come clean with the Congress and with the American people about its complicity in the delivery of weapons from Iran to the Muslim government in Sarajevo."

The Italian news agency AKI headlines, "Bosnia: Muslim Newspaper Points to Existence of Islamic Terror Camps," writes, "Sarajevo, 30 August (AKI) - A Bosnian Muslim newspaper on Tuesday joined a chorus of mostly Serbian news reports on the existence of training camps for Islamic terrorists, accusing the international community of closing its eyes in front of this danger. The weekly Slobodna Bosna (Free Bosnia), whose editor is Senad Avdic, a moderate Muslim, in its latest issue described in detail how and where the alleged terrorist camps operate in Bosnia. The paper criticised the commander of the international forces in Bosnia (Eufor) David Leaky for his recent statement that he had no knowledge of the existence of such camps.

"In the article titled 'The Commander of Eufor in Bosnia David Leaky is Playing Dumb', the paper said that there was no point in presenting the facts to the 'uninformed general. 'Is he (Leaky) really uninformed, which is hard to believe, or is he conscientiously deceiving the local public, like most Western politicians who serve in Bosnia and advocate the thesis that the best thing for world security is that all terrorists be concentrated in one place, in Bosnia, where they can be kept under control?', the paper asked. The paper quoted former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'."

Let me repeat that idiotic statement by one of the UN's high representatives, "The paper quoted former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'." Personally, I always thought that Jacques Klein somewhat resembled Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister, in facial appearance, with his pointy nose, etc., but then that's just my observation. Goebbels is the one who coined the phrase "If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes accepted as truth, and, the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to be accepted."

The New York Times of 3 December in an article, "Police Raid Raises Fears of Bosnia as Haven for Terrorists," writes, "A recent police raid on an apartment near this city's airport uncovered evidence of an imminent suicide bombing, intensifying the fears of Western security services that Bosnia is becoming a haven for Islamic militants.

Therefore, it is safe to say Bosnia is the birthplace of Al-Qaeda. At the time, Bosnia's Islamic terrorism was focused against the Serbian people, and therefore "justified." But if al-Qaeda could succeed in Bosnia, it could succeed anywhere in the world. Today, their terrorism is aimed at the American people. If only the Clinton administration had taken serious action against known Islamic terrorists in Bosnia when he had the chance, perhaps 9/11 would not have happened.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedabalkans; antichristian; appeasement; balkans; bosnia; clintonistas; clintonlegacy; clintonsquagmire; globaljihad; islamofascists; izetbegovic; sorosfluffers; terroristcells; wrongplace; wrongside; wrongtime; wrongwar
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1 posted on 12/11/2005 2:57:03 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13

Big shocker that his is going on because the Saudis have been funding mosques with whahabi clerics and madrass schools in Bosnia.



2 posted on 12/11/2005 3:00:52 AM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Doctor13; fastattacksailor; swordfish71; broadsword; Nesher; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ...
Good post, Doc.

Clin-toon legacy PING!

3 posted on 12/11/2005 4:03:40 AM PST by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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Thx for the ping, FD. I thought the following sounded strangely familiar...

The paper quoted former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'."

4 posted on 12/11/2005 4:20:14 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Doctor13

"Goebbels is the one who coined the phrase "If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes accepted as truth, and, the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to be accepted"

An observation that American politicians of every stripe have taken to heart with gusto. Time to mourn.


5 posted on 12/11/2005 4:41:03 AM PST by Spirited
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former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'." - French?


6 posted on 12/11/2005 4:43:28 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: Doctor13
Clinton bombed Serbia (the Christians) on behalf of the KLA (Ben Lauden and the Muslims).

The thank you from the Muslims was 911.

7 posted on 12/11/2005 5:42:56 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Doctor13

And of course we have troops in Bosnia...to protect the Muslims.


8 posted on 12/11/2005 5:43:06 AM PST by RedRover
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To: zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; vooch; ...

A ping to the Islamofascist reality in the Balkans.


9 posted on 12/11/2005 8:20:30 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
  Some desperately tried to warn us....
10 posted on 12/11/2005 8:31:11 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Doctor13; Stephen Schwartz
Steve, you better read this because it may you cure that disease you have, your islamic yellow journalism has no place here.
11 posted on 12/11/2005 9:38:42 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: tgambill
Hey Tom, Steve is one funny guy, he's a muslim trying to pass himself off as a Jew. Dhimmis never cease to amaze me.
12 posted on 12/11/2005 9:41:11 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

that's Curious. I'm going to cut and paste this for a post going to mark502inf. Good timing for this flag...thanks.


13 posted on 12/11/2005 10:10:11 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Doctor13; mark502inf; montyspython; ma bell

Good post.....

Mark, this is what I was talking about. I can say, case in point; reference our current conversation on "Bosnia Croat Killer Goes to Jail".


14 posted on 12/11/2005 10:16:12 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: FormerLib

clinton Legacy Bump!


15 posted on 12/11/2005 10:46:47 AM PST by F-117A
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To: Doctor13
Bosnia became a launching pad as far back as 1992 when the Bosnian Muslim government of Alija Izetbegovic … supported by the Clinton administration

Uh, Stella, better tighten up the talking points; Clinton wasn’t president in 1992.

[Bosnia] issued a passport to Osama bin Laden which he used to visit Bosnia and Kosovo on several occasions.

Nope. There is zero evidence that bin Laden ever visited Kosovo or Bosnia. And the bin Laden Bosnian passport story, much beloved of Serbs trying to gain exculpation for their murderous ethnic cleansing campaigns by associating them with our war on terror, is tenuous at best. It comes from the Bosnian weekly “Dani’s” story in 1999 that the Bosnian Embassy in Vienna MAY have issued a passport to bin Laden in 1993. Follow the link and you will see that the bin Laden Bosnian passport story is based on anonymous sources and destroyed documents, the “sources” themselves are unclear as to whether it was even issued, and that in any event, the officials at the embassy in 1993 would not even have known who bin Laden was. Even this guy’s stories were more convincing.

16 posted on 12/11/2005 3:24:34 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: Doctor13
Stella, since you say Iran connections with the Balkans 12 years ago were bad, these articles from the past year must really upset you:

Iran, Serbia sign five agreements

Iran, Serbia have solid economic, trade potentials

17 posted on 12/11/2005 3:28:25 PM PST by mark502inf
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Therefore, it is safe to say Bosnia is the birthplace of Al-Qaeda

Ridiculous. Al qaeda was conceived in the Arab Middle East and born in Afghanistan. And without the Serb ethnic cleansing campaigns against the Bosnians in the early 90s, it is doubtful that any al qaeda would ever have found their way to the Balkans.

18 posted on 12/11/2005 3:34:38 PM PST by mark502inf
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Tom, so far we have had good cooperation with the Bosnian government on interdicting terrorists in Bosnia and preventing attacks. Hopefully we will ocntinue to have successes as outlined in Stella's article above. Stella's pro-Serb agenda causes her to embellish her columns with some pretty goofy stuff (as covered in the posts immediately above), but the base idea that we need to pay attention to the Balkans in order to prevent al Qaeda setting up base there is valid.

The Bush Admiinistration policy to that end is to ensure regional stabilty by preventing a recurrence of the 1990s wars, establish a stronger central governemnt in Bosnia that can better direct internal security, catalyze the Kosovo status talks to end the uncertainty & potential for further instability, build up local police structures, and provide an ongoing--albeit much smaller--military & securtiy presence while encouraging the Europeans to shoulder more of the load.

As long as the extremist nationlists from any of the sides stay marginalized, that strategy will work.

19 posted on 12/11/2005 3:55:36 PM PST by mark502inf
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mark, history of islamic encroachment in the balkans (bosnia, serbian krajina and serbia) is rife with examples. The underbelly of Europe has endured the scourge of islamic filth thanks in part due to Serbian resistance. That resistance must be met dealt with harshly or the heathens that pray to allah win out.

those islamic victories remain seared into the Serbs and to minimal extent, the Croatians psyche. Neither wish to remain under the islamic yoke.

AQ was not hatched in Bosnia like that poster claims. Nonetheless, AQ would have been in the region regardless. You know it too so don't even deny it. Kinda like there were no US military hostility casualties either, ehh?

20 posted on 12/11/2005 5:09:01 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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