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State trooper or panhandler? Drivers fooled (COP IN DISGUISE BUSTS NON-SEATBELT WEARERS)
The Seattle Times ^ | 12/6/05 | Jennifer Sullivan

Posted on 12/06/2005 12:30:15 PM PST by paulat

State trooper or panhandler? Drivers fooled By Jennifer Sullivan Seattle Times staff reporter

In the three years since state lawmakers gave cops the go-ahead to pull over people for not wearing seat belts, the State Patrol has become creative about spotting scofflaws.

But one new approach has raised a few eyebrows — while providing results troopers call impressive.

On Saturday, a trooper stood on a street corner in Spanaway, Pierce County, and helped bust 30 people for not wearing their seat belts. The trooper, wearing plain clothes and a cardboard sign around his neck that read "Happy Holidays Buckle Up," was able to keep a close eye on passing traffic from the southeast corner of Highway 7 and 112th Street East. When he spotted someone who wasn't wearing a seat belt, the trooper radioed fellow troopers parked nearby who pulled over the offender.

In four hours, 41 cars were stopped and 30 seat-belt tickets, costing violators $101 per infraction, were handed out, Trooper J.J. Gundermann said. Troopers also made one drug arrest and six outstanding-warrant arrests.

Some motorists, seeing a man on the roadside wearing a sign, offered him money, apparently figuring he was a panhandler, the State Patrol said. The trooper refused the money.

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John Strait, a law professor at Seattle University, said the operation "sounds tacky" but isn't illegal.

"I'm not sure it's great public policy," Strait said. "I don't think there's a legal privacy issue."

University of Washington criminal-law professor John Junker said police have a right to work in an undercover capacity. They also have a right to penalize people for what can be seen in plain view — such as not wearing a seat belt.

Troopers in King County say they are considering using the same tactic.

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(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: seatbelts
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To: YOUGOTIT

We're not allowed to choose unsafe anymore. You see, we're all "connected" by insurance and health care costs.


21 posted on 12/06/2005 12:38:57 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
Hey, it beats fighting actual crime.

Running people off the road and handing them a bill for not wearing a seatbelt IS the actual crime. Armed robbery, to be sure.

22 posted on 12/06/2005 12:39:43 PM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: paulat
At what point does this go from a safety issue to a revenue issue?

$6,000.00 per day, 8 hrs - 60 citations
$30,000.00 per 5 day week
$120,000.00 per 4-week month
$1,440,000 per year!

Show Me The Money!

23 posted on 12/06/2005 12:41:26 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: paulat

Aww, poor local government needs money.


24 posted on 12/06/2005 12:41:41 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (When in Rome, yell and complain until Romans do what you want them to do. If that fails, sue.)
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To: YOUGOTIT

I agree as long as no one pays for any injuries sustained in an auto accident because you were being thrown about or out of the vehicle. If you dont wear your seatbelt, a law in most all states, then you have no claim for damages sustained while breaking the law.

Works for me...


25 posted on 12/06/2005 12:46:10 PM PST by halfright (3 Days post Hanoi (Jihadi) Jane... 2200hrs meeting to urinate on her grave...Semper Fi !)
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To: paulat
"Drivers fooled By Jennifer Sullivan Seattle Times staff reporter"

She sure is a sneaky one, that Jennifer!

26 posted on 12/06/2005 12:46:12 PM PST by chs68
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To: chs68
"Drivers fooled By Jennifer Sullivan Seattle Times staff reporter"

LOL!!! My bad...sorry, Jennifer...forgot the line break!

27 posted on 12/06/2005 12:47:55 PM PST by paulat
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To: paulat
I thought about standing out on a corner with a sign saying

WORTHLESS DRUNK AND DRUG ADDICT

TOO SORRY TO WORK, HAD RATHER BEG

PLEASE FEEL SORRY FOR ME GIVE ME YOUR MONEY.

I NEED A HIT ON THE PIPE REALLY BAD

(insert appropriate religious aphorism here)

I wonder how long it would take for the cops to run me off?

28 posted on 12/06/2005 12:49:59 PM PST by chronic_loser
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To: paulat

This is the reason I no longer respect cops. They have gone from being LEO's (LAW ENFOREMENT OFFICERS) to being REO's (REVENUE ENHANCEMENT OFFICERS).


29 posted on 12/06/2005 12:53:17 PM PST by packrat35 (The America hating bastards at the NYT must spend their entire life with their heads in the toiletat)
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To: RightResponse
The highway patrol's bailiwick is to patrol the highway; he is doing his job where he is supposed to be doing it.

And frankly, I can't see any difference between this and riding around in a unit pulling over drivers that are not wearing seat belts, save that this seems to be more effective.
30 posted on 12/06/2005 12:55:35 PM PST by Fatuncle (Iffen I wuzn't iggnert, I woodn't need to be eddiecated.)
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To: halfright

Recent studies in Manitoba showed that the benefits of wearing seat-belts, especially for the front-seat passenger, are balanced by the increase in injuries to back-seat passengers and driver hip injuries.

Counter-intuitive, I know.


31 posted on 12/06/2005 12:59:02 PM PST by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: paulat
I wear my seatbelt - because, based on information, I stand a better chance surviving a crash...

Liberty, means the freedom to be stupid and maybe choose not to wear a seatbelt.

Seatbelt laws are a slippery slope.
32 posted on 12/06/2005 1:02:19 PM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: Libertina; Salmonslayer; elder5; malia; Checkers; Brian Allen; lkco; phantomworker; IYellAtMyTV; ...
Thanks to paulat for the ping.


Evergreen State ping

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.

Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

33 posted on 12/06/2005 1:04:09 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: TChris
Instead, they are enforced as if national security depended on them.

That and the fact that they extracted $3000 for the relatively small effort put forth by four or five cops.

34 posted on 12/06/2005 1:09:41 PM PST by Space Wrangler
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To: paulat; azhenfud

az, help me out here. Who was it again that suggested (practically required) the states to pass seat belt laws? What administration was that under? Didn't that person give us some other great laws? What's that person doing now? LOL!!


35 posted on 12/06/2005 1:12:34 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: All

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002667004_panhandle06m.html#poll_1058251

Funny...even though there are 300 more votes...the percentages haven't changed....


36 posted on 12/06/2005 1:28:31 PM PST by paulat
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To: Wolfie

Troopers don't "fight crime" as you imagine the local PD does. Their mandate is to make the highways safer and reduce collision deaths.

They believe a large benefit exists to enforcing the seatbelt laws. It is their belief that doing "stings" or "emphasis" patrols like this will increase seatbelt usage and lower highway deaths.

WA has or nearly has the highest seatbelt usage rate in the nation so these emphasis patrols, it could be argued, do not accomplish the above goals.


37 posted on 12/06/2005 1:30:42 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I get paid to get in your business.)
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To: TChris

IT's all about the benjamins


38 posted on 12/06/2005 1:34:31 PM PST by sobieski
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To: halfright
Works for me...

Only if you're a liberal. Ronald Reagan opposed mandatory helmet and seatbelt laws. He felt it was none of the governments business. As a Conservative, I have to agree with him.
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39 posted on 12/06/2005 1:38:07 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: sionnsar

I think I'm the only one here who thinks this is ingenious and somewhat funny.


40 posted on 12/06/2005 1:38:50 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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