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State trooper or panhandler? Drivers fooled (COP IN DISGUISE BUSTS NON-SEATBELT WEARERS)
The Seattle Times ^ | 12/6/05 | Jennifer Sullivan

Posted on 12/06/2005 12:30:15 PM PST by paulat

State trooper or panhandler? Drivers fooled By Jennifer Sullivan Seattle Times staff reporter

In the three years since state lawmakers gave cops the go-ahead to pull over people for not wearing seat belts, the State Patrol has become creative about spotting scofflaws.

But one new approach has raised a few eyebrows — while providing results troopers call impressive.

On Saturday, a trooper stood on a street corner in Spanaway, Pierce County, and helped bust 30 people for not wearing their seat belts. The trooper, wearing plain clothes and a cardboard sign around his neck that read "Happy Holidays Buckle Up," was able to keep a close eye on passing traffic from the southeast corner of Highway 7 and 112th Street East. When he spotted someone who wasn't wearing a seat belt, the trooper radioed fellow troopers parked nearby who pulled over the offender.

In four hours, 41 cars were stopped and 30 seat-belt tickets, costing violators $101 per infraction, were handed out, Trooper J.J. Gundermann said. Troopers also made one drug arrest and six outstanding-warrant arrests.

Some motorists, seeing a man on the roadside wearing a sign, offered him money, apparently figuring he was a panhandler, the State Patrol said. The trooper refused the money.

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John Strait, a law professor at Seattle University, said the operation "sounds tacky" but isn't illegal.

"I'm not sure it's great public policy," Strait said. "I don't think there's a legal privacy issue."

University of Washington criminal-law professor John Junker said police have a right to work in an undercover capacity. They also have a right to penalize people for what can be seen in plain view — such as not wearing a seat belt.

Troopers in King County say they are considering using the same tactic.

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(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: seatbelts
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1 posted on 12/06/2005 12:30:16 PM PST by paulat
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To: paulat

Good grief.


2 posted on 12/06/2005 12:30:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: paulat

Hey, it beats fighting actual crime.


3 posted on 12/06/2005 12:30:56 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: paulat

Beats stopping crime, I guess.


4 posted on 12/06/2005 12:31:22 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: paulat

Working on commission?


5 posted on 12/06/2005 12:32:34 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Wolfie

Meanwhile, enforcement is worried about offending child molesters, murderers, gang members, legal gun owners.... the list goes on and on.


6 posted on 12/06/2005 12:34:10 PM PST by RightResponse (What if the Left, just got up and .....)
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To: paulat

** ARMED TAX COLLECTER ALERT **


7 posted on 12/06/2005 12:34:31 PM PST by hang 'em (Is Devil Worship "one of the World's Great Religions"?)
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To: paulat

Our wonderful soviet state's new form of taxes.


8 posted on 12/06/2005 12:34:31 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I have no faith in any politician or political party any more. They all lie for their agendas.)
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To: paulat

More proof that "law enforcement" is now "tax collection"


9 posted on 12/06/2005 12:34:42 PM PST by Zathras
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To: paulat
Oh fer cryin' out loud...

Since police generally are given quite a bit of discretion in deciding what is and is not important enough to investigate and puruse -- think turn signal laws here -- why shouldn't LEOs just treat these nanny-state laws the same way and summarily ignore them?

Instead, they are enforced as if national security depended on them.

10 posted on 12/06/2005 12:34:55 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: paulat
wow...this revenuer brought in 3000 bucks for WA in 4 hours...imagine if they had 10 troopers doing this. 60k for a days worth of work isn't too shabby.

Of course, that would be the quickest way for this cash cow..err law...to get over turned. Then again it does keep the taxes down.
11 posted on 12/06/2005 12:35:11 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: RightResponse

That would be illegal gun owners (felons).


12 posted on 12/06/2005 12:35:13 PM PST by RightResponse (What if the Left, just got up and .....)
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To: paulat

These are the ways that the police make themselves unpopular.

You want to support them, on the one hand.
On the other hand, they spend time and energy on this sort of crap.


13 posted on 12/06/2005 12:35:13 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: paulat

I live in a very small town. A few months ago I drove by the sheriff standing on the side of the road - on the line. He was leaning over looking into car windows. In fact I had to swerve to miss him. I had my seatbelt on, but there was somebody pulled over by another cop further up the road.


14 posted on 12/06/2005 12:35:15 PM PST by loreldan (Lincoln, Reagan, & G. W. Bush - the cure for Democrat lunacy.)
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To: paulat
Nanny state clowns.

Similarly, in leftist-run Montgomery County Maryland, the keystoners there were using night-vision goggles to spot seatbelt violations.

15 posted on 12/06/2005 12:35:49 PM PST by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: paulat

I'd think that this sort of covert surveillance (since the officer is in "disguise") would not be legal.


16 posted on 12/06/2005 12:35:51 PM PST by DBrow
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To: paulat
Damn I hate that... They do it around these parts once a month or so. Although they have a car on the side, and a cop hanging out of it lookin at ya as you pass, it is still a "weaselly" thing to do...IMHO...
17 posted on 12/06/2005 12:35:56 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: paulat

So who cares. If they do not wear their seat belts it is them who will be dead. If they do not belt up their children that is another problem.

But is they are old enough to drive they should have the right to chose safe or unsafe.


18 posted on 12/06/2005 12:36:50 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: paulat

The supporters of seat belt laws laughed when I called it a slippery slope. They said the police can't pull you over for that alone. In Michigan they do exactly that now. Looks like they're now putting money into paying undercover cops to ticket people not wearing theirs.


Seat belts, A great idea and a really bad law.


19 posted on 12/06/2005 12:37:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: sionnsar

ping


20 posted on 12/06/2005 12:37:51 PM PST by paulat
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