Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Coloradan faces jail for refusal to show ID
The Washington Times ^ | 11-30-05 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 12/05/2005 12:57:58 PM PST by JOAT

DENVER -- Deborah Davis' refusal to show her identification to federal police at a bus stop has turned her into a cause celebre among privacy-rights advocates.

Mrs. Davis, a 50-year-old Arvada, Colo., grandmother of five, was handcuffed, placed in a police car and ticketed for two petty offenses by Federal Protective Services officers who were checking passengers' identification Sept. 26 aboard a Regional Transportation District (RTD) bus at the Federal Center stop.

..< SNIP >..Several things bothered her about the ID checks. She wasn't entering a federal building or even leaving the bus. The officers barely glanced at the passengers' ID cards and didn't check them against a master list. The whole exercise struck her as "just Big Brother watching you," she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: yourpapersplease
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140141-153 next last
To: FreedomCalls

back to post 113, I ask again:

were their ID's checked, and if not, how do you know this would not have stopped them? Are you just taking a guess??

No need to answer if you can't. I understand


121 posted on 12/05/2005 4:07:34 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls

You are a genius. The solution - only check ID's and personal posessions of terrorists and leave everyone else alone. How many times do I have to say it?? Then we would all be happy (excepting the terrorists) It is so simple. Lets do it now.

Now, tell me how we do it.


122 posted on 12/05/2005 4:10:23 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 120 | View Replies]

To: InsureAmerica
were their ID's checked, and if not, how do you know this would not have stopped them? Are you just taking a guess??

So tell me how checking their IDs would have stopped them from blowing themselves up? It wouldn't! Why are YOU GUESSING that it would? It wouldn't. Atta had an ID. The 7/7 bombers had an ID. The Pan Am 101 bomber had an ID. The Palestinian bus bombers in Israel all had IDs. Having an ID and having it checked to be sure that you have an ID and nothing more, does NOTHING other than prove that you have an ID, valid or fake.

It's interesting that you can't come up with any reason that the mere possession of an ID does anything to increase security. Because it doesn't.

123 posted on 12/05/2005 4:13:22 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 121 | View Replies]

To: InsureAmerica
Now, tell me how we do it.

If they think their facility is so sensitive, then route the public bus around it, just like they do when it is closed at night and the bus is still running. Problem solved.

124 posted on 12/05/2005 4:18:05 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies]

To: On the Road to Serfdom
It does not matter. They own the land.

So what? In some States, the Federal government controls >90% of the land such that it is all but impossible to not traverse federally controlled land as a matter of going about one's life. By your rationalization, the citizens of those States should be forced to live in a virtual prison because the Federal government took their money by force and used it to acquired the land around them (also by force). Should we be required to put up with every jackass Gestapo tactic some Federal bureaucrat dreams up every time we leave the house because the Federal government forced your neighbor to sell his property to them? Only a dimwit with an authoritarian streak would say "yes", yet this already happens in many places.

If the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment no longer apply when you cross Federal land that can be created by force via eminent domain and paid for by taking money from you by force, it is just a matter of time before you live in a police state in fact where leaving your house is only possible with the express permission of the government for purposes they proscribe.

125 posted on 12/05/2005 4:18:34 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls

Show me where on this thread I said that checking an ID will result in stopping a terrorist act.

This is something you created out of your mind. I have written repeatedly that there appear here to be 2 schools of thought. Do Nothing, because it intrudes upon (sometimes perceived) rights of individuals, or do what we can that is reasonable on a case by case basis, ie there is a credible threat of a bomb on a bus and ID's are asked for and backpacks are checked, as part of dealing with the threat. etc. You've moved to far to the extreme on this. ID's are not the solution. They can be part of the solution. Tour the whitehouse, you will get the full treatment regardless of what you look like. Are you against this as well? What about a tour of a nuclear facility, transportation to a secured military installation or other facility. You are against it all? No ID's in any case imaginable by mankind?


126 posted on 12/05/2005 4:18:37 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls

Have a good one. The wife and children are home, I have to check their ID's and then make supper......


127 posted on 12/05/2005 4:24:06 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 124 | View Replies]

To: InsureAmerica
ie there is a credible threat of a bomb on a bus and ID's are asked for and backpacks are checked, as part of dealing with the threat

You are making stuff up now. There was no credible threat. They check IDs every day at the DFC on the busses. They are not looking for someone, nor are they checking the IDs against an access list or a watch list. They simply demand an ID, glance at it, then return it.

Do you believe there is a 4th Amendment and that it means something or is it too a "nullity"?

128 posted on 12/05/2005 4:25:39 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 126 | View Replies]

To: InsureAmerica
Show me where on this thread I said that checking an ID will result in stopping a terrorist act.

Then what's the point? You kept bringing "terrorism" up as a justification for checking IDs, now you say it's not for preventing terrorism. So what's it for then?

129 posted on 12/05/2005 4:27:18 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 126 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls
Has it occured to anyone that the 1st, 2nd, 5th, or the umpteenth ammendment don't mean diddly squat to the bad folks.... These folks mean to kill all of us...your children and grandchildren while you bloviate about nonsensical bull feces.....
130 posted on 12/05/2005 5:12:38 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

Comment #131 Removed by Moderator

To: JOAT
What say you?

You have no chance to survive make your time.

132 posted on 12/05/2005 6:01:08 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RVN Airplane Driver
Has it occured to anyone that the 1st, 2nd, 5th, or the umpteenth ammendment don't mean diddly squat to the bad folks.... These folks mean to kill all of us...

So you would toss out the Constitution? We went through the entire Cold War under a far far greater threat of nuclear annihilation of every one of us and yet didn't throw away the Constitution and still won. You want to destroy our freedom in order to save it? This site is named "Free Republic" not "Secure Republic" after all.

133 posted on 12/05/2005 6:01:54 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 130 | View Replies]

To: untrained skeptic
If the order isn't unlawful, she doesn't have the right to ignore it just because she feels it is intrusive.

WHATEVER IS NOT PROHIBITED IS COMPULSORY

134 posted on 12/05/2005 6:06:14 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: ctdonath2
If there's that much concern, public busses shouldn't be entering the facility.

Thing is the bus is only entering the facility as a convenience to people working there, or doing business there.

Solution: stop the bus at the gate, and let those people walk into the facility.

135 posted on 12/05/2005 6:16:51 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: InsureAmerica
I am all with you an that, it is permissable and reasonable to provide ID when entering certain restricted areas

People not having actual business in restricted areas should not be allowed to enter. If you allow them to enter, it's not a restricted area.

136 posted on 12/05/2005 6:23:30 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls; InsureAmerica
You kept bringing "terrorism" up as a justification for checking IDs, now you say it's not for preventing terrorism. So what's it for then?

Obedience Training

137 posted on 12/05/2005 6:29:30 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 129 | View Replies]

To: Daaave
the people that fear "Big Brother" more than they fear terrorists.

Given that the chances of getting killed in a bus bombing are far less than the chances of getting killed in a car accident or struck by lightning, I'd say the people you're referring to have their priorities straight.

138 posted on 12/05/2005 7:09:58 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls

""There was no credible threat""

What? When was there no credible threat?

I am using a hypothetical. Please re-read so you understand.


139 posted on 12/06/2005 6:46:18 AM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies]

To: InsureAmerica
What? When was there no credible threat?

There was none. If you have information that there was a "credible threat" then post it. Just claiming that there are boogy men out there is not "credible."

140 posted on 12/06/2005 8:37:52 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 139 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140141-153 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson