Posted on 12/05/2005 12:57:58 PM PST by JOAT
DENVER -- Deborah Davis' refusal to show her identification to federal police at a bus stop has turned her into a cause celebre among privacy-rights advocates.
Mrs. Davis, a 50-year-old Arvada, Colo., grandmother of five, was handcuffed, placed in a police car and ticketed for two petty offenses by Federal Protective Services officers who were checking passengers' identification Sept. 26 aboard a Regional Transportation District (RTD) bus at the Federal Center stop.
..< SNIP >..Several things bothered her about the ID checks. She wasn't entering a federal building or even leaving the bus. The officers barely glanced at the passengers' ID cards and didn't check them against a master list. The whole exercise struck her as "just Big Brother watching you," she said.
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back to post 113, I ask again:
were their ID's checked, and if not, how do you know this would not have stopped them? Are you just taking a guess??
No need to answer if you can't. I understand
You are a genius. The solution - only check ID's and personal posessions of terrorists and leave everyone else alone. How many times do I have to say it?? Then we would all be happy (excepting the terrorists) It is so simple. Lets do it now.
Now, tell me how we do it.
So tell me how checking their IDs would have stopped them from blowing themselves up? It wouldn't! Why are YOU GUESSING that it would? It wouldn't. Atta had an ID. The 7/7 bombers had an ID. The Pan Am 101 bomber had an ID. The Palestinian bus bombers in Israel all had IDs. Having an ID and having it checked to be sure that you have an ID and nothing more, does NOTHING other than prove that you have an ID, valid or fake.
It's interesting that you can't come up with any reason that the mere possession of an ID does anything to increase security. Because it doesn't.
If they think their facility is so sensitive, then route the public bus around it, just like they do when it is closed at night and the bus is still running. Problem solved.
So what? In some States, the Federal government controls >90% of the land such that it is all but impossible to not traverse federally controlled land as a matter of going about one's life. By your rationalization, the citizens of those States should be forced to live in a virtual prison because the Federal government took their money by force and used it to acquired the land around them (also by force). Should we be required to put up with every jackass Gestapo tactic some Federal bureaucrat dreams up every time we leave the house because the Federal government forced your neighbor to sell his property to them? Only a dimwit with an authoritarian streak would say "yes", yet this already happens in many places.
If the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment no longer apply when you cross Federal land that can be created by force via eminent domain and paid for by taking money from you by force, it is just a matter of time before you live in a police state in fact where leaving your house is only possible with the express permission of the government for purposes they proscribe.
Show me where on this thread I said that checking an ID will result in stopping a terrorist act.
This is something you created out of your mind. I have written repeatedly that there appear here to be 2 schools of thought. Do Nothing, because it intrudes upon (sometimes perceived) rights of individuals, or do what we can that is reasonable on a case by case basis, ie there is a credible threat of a bomb on a bus and ID's are asked for and backpacks are checked, as part of dealing with the threat. etc. You've moved to far to the extreme on this. ID's are not the solution. They can be part of the solution. Tour the whitehouse, you will get the full treatment regardless of what you look like. Are you against this as well? What about a tour of a nuclear facility, transportation to a secured military installation or other facility. You are against it all? No ID's in any case imaginable by mankind?
Have a good one. The wife and children are home, I have to check their ID's and then make supper......
You are making stuff up now. There was no credible threat. They check IDs every day at the DFC on the busses. They are not looking for someone, nor are they checking the IDs against an access list or a watch list. They simply demand an ID, glance at it, then return it.
Do you believe there is a 4th Amendment and that it means something or is it too a "nullity"?
Then what's the point? You kept bringing "terrorism" up as a justification for checking IDs, now you say it's not for preventing terrorism. So what's it for then?
You have no chance to survive make your time.
So you would toss out the Constitution? We went through the entire Cold War under a far far greater threat of nuclear annihilation of every one of us and yet didn't throw away the Constitution and still won. You want to destroy our freedom in order to save it? This site is named "Free Republic" not "Secure Republic" after all.
WHATEVER IS NOT PROHIBITED IS COMPULSORY
Thing is the bus is only entering the facility as a convenience to people working there, or doing business there.
Solution: stop the bus at the gate, and let those people walk into the facility.
People not having actual business in restricted areas should not be allowed to enter. If you allow them to enter, it's not a restricted area.
Obedience Training
Given that the chances of getting killed in a bus bombing are far less than the chances of getting killed in a car accident or struck by lightning, I'd say the people you're referring to have their priorities straight.
""There was no credible threat""
What? When was there no credible threat?
I am using a hypothetical. Please re-read so you understand.
There was none. If you have information that there was a "credible threat" then post it. Just claiming that there are boogy men out there is not "credible."
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