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Live Thread - Anybody Watching W's Speech On Immigration - Only on Fox (Vanity)
Fox News Channel | 11/28/05 | Self

Posted on 11/28/2005 1:55:47 PM PST by TCats

They say better late than never but......


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; cz; davismonthanafb; heslyingagain; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; term2; w; whatplan
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To: daybreakcoming
Look, I don't buy into the argument that our people are lazy. Paying them a living wage is a good incintive to work. Most of the Illegals live several people under one roof, so they can stretch that dollar and mail some home.

The Illegals are being paid "under the table". This means they don't pay taxes or benefit costs, so their take home pay is much more than if a U.S. Citizen had the same job, even if the pay per hour is less.

The solution is to make it difficult for them to live here in their Illegal status.

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221 posted on 11/28/2005 3:26:59 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: TCats

The President's speech was tough on enforcement (which is great). However, the same amount of money or more will be needed to enforce that the illegal aliens go home once their worker permits run out. How will this be enforced? How much will that cost? If I was allowed to stay in the U.S. for 3-6 years why would I want to go home? I was underwhelmed with this portion of the speech.


222 posted on 11/28/2005 3:27:47 PM PST by Lobbyist (I want my American dream!)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Paul, I would suggest that Bush has wanted a worker permit program for a long time. IMO this is nothing but a cosmetic makeoever of what he has floated all along, and the makeover isn't really that extensive at all.

He will facilitate increased legal transitions into our nation. These people will never be sent back home.

The Mexicanization of the U.S. will slip into a higher gear, that's all. It will now be legitimate for millions of people to sap our resources.

Our kids will wind up picking up still another tab, and the balkinization of the U.S. will fluorish.


223 posted on 11/28/2005 3:28:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: BlueStateDepression

You and me both. Maybe Rove has been reading the Pew Polls, too????? My question: WHO did they poll to have immigration at the bottom next to bird flu (which BTW China says has not mutated as feared).


224 posted on 11/28/2005 3:28:33 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: shebacal
Yes, and he comes across very well, as most here would if they ran for office either nationally or locally.

CNN was kind to him today, of course that's because he disagreed with the President. You know if and when a Dem becomes President, CNN will suddenly go back to calling Conservatives and Republicans racist on immigration.

So thick skin will be needed after this President leaves office.
225 posted on 11/28/2005 3:28:53 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: TCats

Everytime Bush gives Speeches like this one, people get depressed.

They start thinking of out-of-touch Country club Republicans and Internationists who don't a damn about this country, whose only flag is the dollar sign.

They think of Rockefeller, Jim Baker, and Arlen Spectator.

They sigh, and think we are going to lose in 2008.


226 posted on 11/28/2005 3:29:00 PM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: TomGuy
He did sneak in the guest worker provision -- even though, per him, it isn't amnesty.

To quote the President he is ever more proceeding to resemble:

"It all depends on what the meaning of is, is."

227 posted on 11/28/2005 3:29:50 PM PST by Pelham
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To: BlueStateDepression
It sounded interesting with your first words and then your reasoning went into apples and oranges. LOL Your views on capitalism reek of socialism.

That aside....did a mechanic just set up shop out of the blue without any training at a lower rate? And we won't even go on about doctors. It does not apply to the meat of the discussion.

And now I will discontinue this conversation with you. Your view is all about illegal immigration which I am in agreement with. But you have tunnel vision as to the aspects surrounding it.

228 posted on 11/28/2005 3:30:21 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Well to be fair, President Bush did just say he would not sign a bill that support amnesty for illegal immigrants.

And the punchline is?

229 posted on 11/28/2005 3:31:57 PM PST by Pelham
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To: DoughtyOne

You are negative. A person is allowed to change his mind on something, as long as they are not a reed in the wind, bending to the slightest pressure, which President Bush is not.


230 posted on 11/28/2005 3:32:34 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Spiff

I'm thinking that first two minutes must have been action packed.


231 posted on 11/28/2005 3:33:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: Pylot
King Jorge can yak all he wants to. I won't get excited about anything until I see the number of illegals go down in my community.

But we can be sure the FR daily picture-licking politician-worship thread will be drooling all over his suit, his dog and his wife.

232 posted on 11/28/2005 3:34:36 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Pelham

See post 214.


233 posted on 11/28/2005 3:35:41 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Name one facet of today's proposal that is different that what has been floated before. There actually is one, we'll sort-of. Lets see if you know what it is.


234 posted on 11/28/2005 3:36:11 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: DTogo
A real solution to America's broken borders and illegal alien immigration problems:

Rep. Tom Tancredo's REAL GUEST Act of 2005, otherwise known as H.R. 3333:

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.3333
235 posted on 11/28/2005 3:37:36 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

They polled a bunch of illegal day laborers LMAO ;)

Kinda like china said SARS wasn't a big deal too, and how China thought they could contain benzene in a river.

Alot is made about politicians rocking the boat on illegal immigration. I would offer that there is no larger boat in the USA. There is not one subject that more people would agree on than stopping this illegal immigration. How it is done, I agree there would be plenty of disagreement and debate. But taking a position of actually DOING IT,one way or another, will win the white house in 08 overwhelmingly.

I was really scared that Kerry was going to do that...and to be honest, I fear hillary just might.

All I can say is GOOOOOO TOM!


236 posted on 11/28/2005 3:39:07 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: saveliberty
He'd campaigned on it in 2000. This wasn't a hidden policy.

He also assured us in 2000 that he was opposed to nation building.

9/11 changed both issues. Or hadn't you noticed?

237 posted on 11/28/2005 3:39:35 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Spiff

:-) I am hoping someone on his staff will read it.


238 posted on 11/28/2005 3:40:29 PM PST by saveliberty (Conservativism - the commitment to live within your own means and to take care of yourself & family)
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To: daybreakcoming

go on post the example of your claim about apples and oranges. I say you cannot or you would have already.

What reeks of socialism is your pre concieved notion, not what I actually said.

the largest protion of our economy is service based. Something that people like you call 'unskilled' and 'entry level'. Too bad that idea is blown out the water with the sheer scope of our economy and what comprises it.

Mechanincs that set up shop keep alot more than those that work for anothers shop...and they don't work for %8.

You won't 'go into' my examples cuz they do not show what you want them to.
Seems you have the tunnel vision not me.

Looks as if your sun just went down instead of about to rise.


239 posted on 11/28/2005 3:44:23 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: DoughtyOne
Name one facet of today's proposal that is different that what has been floated before.

Actually three major things are different.

One, he wants to send the immigrants back to their home towns hundreds of miles back in the middle of Mexico, instead of dumping them a couple of miles away from the U.S./Mexican border.

Two, he does not want to release caught illegals back out onto the streets and expect them to show up for court to be deported, but instead hold them until they are processed and deported.

Three, get rid of the time limit on how long a illegal can be held if their home country does not take them back, in other words, hold them indefinitely if necessary.

240 posted on 11/28/2005 3:46:36 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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