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Newton more important than Einstein: poll
PhysOrg.com ^ | 23 November 2005 | Staff

Posted on 11/23/2005 6:04:12 PM PST by PatrickHenry

Newton, the 17th-century English scientist most famous for describing the laws of gravity and motion, beat Einstein in two polls conducted by eminent London-based scientific academy, the Royal Society.

More than 1,300 members of the public and 345 Royal Society scientists were asked separately which famous scientist made a bigger overall contribution to science, given the state of knowledge during his time, and which made a bigger positive contribution to humankind.

Newton was the winner on all counts, though he beat the German-born Einstein by only 0.2 of a percentage point (50.1 percent to 49.9 percent) in the public poll on who made the bigger contribution to mankind.


Albert Einstein may have made the discoveries that led to nuclear and solar power, lasers and even a physical description of space and time, but Sir Isaac Newton had a greater impact on science and mankind, according to a poll published Wednesday.

The margin was greater among scientists: 60.9 percent for Newton and 39.1 percent for Einstein.

The results were announced ahead of the "Einstein vs. Newton" debate, a public lecture at the Royal Society on Wednesday evening.

"Many people would say that comparing Newton and Einstein is like comparing apples and oranges, but what really matters is that people are appreciating the huge amount that both these physicists achieved, and that their impact on the world stretched far beyond the laboratory and the equation," said Royal Society president Lord Peter May.

Pro-Newton scientists argue he led the transition from an era of superstition and dogma to the modern scientific method.

His greatest work, the "Principia Mathematica", showed that gravity was a universal force that applied to all objects in the universe, finally ruling out the belief that the laws of motion were different for objects on Earth and in the heavens.

Einstein's supporters point out that his celebrated theory of relativity disproved Newton's beliefs on space and time and led to theories about the creation of the universe, black holes and parallel universes.

He also proved mathematically that atoms exist and that light is made of particles called photons, setting the theoretical foundations for nuclear bombs and solar power.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: alberteinstein; crevolist; einstein; isaacnewton; newton; physics; principia; science
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To: phantomworker
Now, what if you dropped a canon ball and at the same time shot a similar canon ball out at a 90 degree angle. Which would land first?

All other things equal, in a vacuum over a uniformly dense perfectly spherical body, the shot would land after the drop. The body is curved, so the shot has further "down" to fall. If fired fast enough the shot won't ever land.

161 posted on 11/23/2005 8:16:56 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Hint: It has to do with the curvature of the earth.


162 posted on 11/23/2005 8:18:41 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: jveritas

Christ was downgraded, because it was a team effort with St. Paul, who was ranked 4th I think (the message plus the messenger). Neither would have had much influence without the other is the theory. Mohammed was ranked first because he was a twofer. He rewrote the map in a secular sense as a conquerer, as well as single handedly found the second most influential religion on the planet. You will never guess who was ranked fifth, assuming my recollection is correct. :)


163 posted on 11/23/2005 8:19:10 PM PST by Torie
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To: Sam Hill; PatrickHenry; Dimensio; jennyp; ml1954
You need to read a book on Newton if you don't even know that.

I have. It's not so inaccurate to say that Newton was "searching for God". As a religious man, that's how he would see the goal of his intellectual pursuits. I'm not taking issue with that part.

But the ludicrous part is the implication that if he hadn't been religious, he'd have just spent his life as a fisherman or somethin and there would have been, in your worsd, "no science out of Newton". That's ridiculous. Newton had an incredibly inquisitive mind, always racing ahead of his peers in his obsession to understand how things worked and why, even back home on his parents' farm as a young man. Furthermore, he was surrounded by Hooke, Wallis, Huygens, and a whole raft of other brilliant investigators of the rising fields of science and mathematics, and lived in one of the most intellectually stimulating and challenging times in history, the rise of the Enlightenment.

It's just incredible to try to claim that in this environment, with his mind and inclinations, Newton would not have dove head-first into science even lacking his religious beliefs. He just would have called his quest something other than "searching for God", like "questing for knowledge", or "searching for Truth" or something.

There's nothing about Newton's religious faith specifically that uniquely triggered his life's path. His mind was always racing and investigating, out of an innate driving inquisitiveness and the sheer ability of his mind to race where most others could only slowly stumble.

164 posted on 11/23/2005 8:19:40 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: phantomworker
You're right. But why? (Galileo was earlier than Newton though, right?)

To expand on my answer, motion in the vertical direction does not depend upon motion in the horizontal direction. Both balls fall with the same acceleration but they can still do that while having different speeds in the horizontal direction. If the cannon is tilted slightly up or down, the vertical accelerations will still be the same, but the ball will now take a longer or shorter time to hit.

In the monkey gun experiment, you can drop the two from different heights and, if you aim the barrel at the monkey, you will still hit the monkey. Neglecting air resistance, of course.

Yes, Galileo was earlier, but this problem would have also been solved easily by Newton, too.

165 posted on 11/23/2005 8:20:01 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault
As far as the penny goes, a steel ball will beat the penny. The penny will usually tumble and reach a lower terminal velocity than the ball.

Drop it from a skyscraper and see what happens.

I've heard that a penny can kill someone if you drop it from the top of the Empire State Bldg.

166 posted on 11/23/2005 8:21:08 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: AntiGuv

I meant to add you to my post above.


167 posted on 11/23/2005 8:22:17 PM PST by Torie
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To: Right Wing Assault

It has to do with the curvature of the earth. That's why they land at the same time (theoretically).


168 posted on 11/23/2005 8:23:24 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: phantomworker
I've heard that a penny can kill someone if you drop it from the top of the Empire State Bldg.

Not true. The terminal velocity of a penny is not high enough and its mass is pretty small.

169 posted on 11/23/2005 8:25:42 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: PatrickHenry

Why is not Nicolai Tesla considered?

Science, mathematics, electricity, lightening....


170 posted on 11/23/2005 8:25:45 PM PST by Prost1 (I get my news at Free Republic!)
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To: Catphish

If you get the book, just so you get hooked in, skip ahead and start with chapter 6 about Caradano and solution of the cubic - good story about that one!


171 posted on 11/23/2005 8:26:33 PM PST by Catphish
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To: PatrickHenry
My poll says Newton could have been replaced by a number of other people. However, his wealth allowed him to discover what a lot of other people couldn't afford to. If he was a member of the Order of Knights Templar as some report that could explain his secrecy.

Einstein received a Nobel prize for the photoelectric effect which is used in a tremendous amount of todays technology. His advocacy for the atomic bomb project in WWII makes him a very formidable scientist. The world would be very different if he hadn't been born but apples would still fall if Newton had been aborted.

172 posted on 11/23/2005 8:28:10 PM PST by MilleniumBug
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To: Right Wing Assault

Whew! Thanks! When I took a tour of the Empire State bldg as a kid, our guide said not to do that, and I did anyway! Glad to know I never killed any body! I've felt guilty about that all these years! LOL!


173 posted on 11/23/2005 8:30:12 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: Torie
I think that Jesus Christ would have be chosen as 1st but some people will not choose Him because He is the Son of GOD and hence they did not want to compare Him to other mortal historical figures.

Who was ranked 5th?

174 posted on 11/23/2005 8:30:58 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jveritas; AntiGuv

I want to give antiguv a crack at it first. Cheers.


175 posted on 11/23/2005 8:31:57 PM PST by Torie
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To: phantomworker
It has to do with the curvature of the earth. That's why they land at the same time (theoretically).

You can put a coin on the edge of a table and slide another coin into it so they both fall off. If you hit it just right, one will go out a few feet, the other will fall nearly straight down. They will hit at the same time. Over that short range, the curvature of the earth is not important. Over a large distance, the fact that the gravitational field lines are radial is important.

However, if you could make a gravitational field whose lines of force were parallel, this problem would still work. It also works with charged particles in a parallel electric field made by flat parallel charged plates.

176 posted on 11/23/2005 8:35:53 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: MilleniumBug
The world would be very different if he hadn't been born but apples would still fall if Newton had been aborted.

Newton gave us the most important equation ever in Physics F = m x a. Much more important in our daily applications than Einstein E= m x c^2.

177 posted on 11/23/2005 8:36:51 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: ml1954; jennyp; PatrickHenry
[I wonder how long it took for Newton's equations to filter down to real-world discoveries & inventions in a big way?]

Based on things I see people do almost everyday, there's still a lot of filtering down into the real world left to be done.

Good point: Naive Theories of Motion. It's a really fascinating article about how through everyday experience with moving objects, people often form remarkably incorrect mental "models" of how physics actually works.

A passage from the article:

Further, we argue that the assumptions of the naive theories are quite consistent across individuals. In fact, the theories developed by different individuals are best described as different forms of the same basic theory. Although this basic theory appears to be a reasonable outcome of experience with real-world motion, it is strikingly inconsistent with the fundamental principles of classical physics. In fact, the naive theory is remarkably similar to a pre-Newtonian physical theory popular in the 14th through 16th centuries.
A short summary might be, "'common sense' is seldom common nor sensible."
178 posted on 11/23/2005 8:37:44 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: jveritas

Buddha


179 posted on 11/23/2005 8:38:58 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: phantomworker
Glad to know I never killed any body!About the worst injury you could cause would be if someone looked up an it hit them in the eye. It depends if it hit on edge or flat, too. On edge would hurt. Now, if you dropped a dart, that would be a different story. Much higher terminal velocity. Sharper, and larger mass, too.
180 posted on 11/23/2005 8:40:03 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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