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Newton more important than Einstein: poll
PhysOrg.com ^ | 23 November 2005 | Staff

Posted on 11/23/2005 6:04:12 PM PST by PatrickHenry

Newton, the 17th-century English scientist most famous for describing the laws of gravity and motion, beat Einstein in two polls conducted by eminent London-based scientific academy, the Royal Society.

More than 1,300 members of the public and 345 Royal Society scientists were asked separately which famous scientist made a bigger overall contribution to science, given the state of knowledge during his time, and which made a bigger positive contribution to humankind.

Newton was the winner on all counts, though he beat the German-born Einstein by only 0.2 of a percentage point (50.1 percent to 49.9 percent) in the public poll on who made the bigger contribution to mankind.


Albert Einstein may have made the discoveries that led to nuclear and solar power, lasers and even a physical description of space and time, but Sir Isaac Newton had a greater impact on science and mankind, according to a poll published Wednesday.

The margin was greater among scientists: 60.9 percent for Newton and 39.1 percent for Einstein.

The results were announced ahead of the "Einstein vs. Newton" debate, a public lecture at the Royal Society on Wednesday evening.

"Many people would say that comparing Newton and Einstein is like comparing apples and oranges, but what really matters is that people are appreciating the huge amount that both these physicists achieved, and that their impact on the world stretched far beyond the laboratory and the equation," said Royal Society president Lord Peter May.

Pro-Newton scientists argue he led the transition from an era of superstition and dogma to the modern scientific method.

His greatest work, the "Principia Mathematica", showed that gravity was a universal force that applied to all objects in the universe, finally ruling out the belief that the laws of motion were different for objects on Earth and in the heavens.

Einstein's supporters point out that his celebrated theory of relativity disproved Newton's beliefs on space and time and led to theories about the creation of the universe, black holes and parallel universes.

He also proved mathematically that atoms exist and that light is made of particles called photons, setting the theoretical foundations for nuclear bombs and solar power.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: alberteinstein; crevolist; einstein; isaacnewton; newton; physics; principia; science
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To: PatrickHenry

And now for our next question, who was the more enlightened, the guy who invented the chisel or Michelangelo?


141 posted on 11/23/2005 7:55:17 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: WillamShakespeare

He could have gotten his ideas that atoms exist, specific heat was due to motion, and the photoelectric effect there too. Einstein's work ranged much farther than most people tend to hear about.


142 posted on 11/23/2005 7:56:02 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: phantomworker
Except for air resistance (which is very minor) they both fall at the same rate.

Air resistance is not always very minor! Drop a sheet of paper flat and the same paper balled up. The ball will kill the paper. Different weight objects only reliably fall with the same acceleration in a vacuum. There are countless examples of heavier and lighter objects falling faster or slower.

As far as the penny goes, a steel ball will beat the penny. The penny will usually tumble and reach a lower terminal velocity than the ball. Drop it from a skyscraper and see what happens.

143 posted on 11/23/2005 7:56:17 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Sam Hill
You picked the absoulte worst example in Newton. Newton only did science in his search for God. No religion, no science out of Newton.

Nonsense.

144 posted on 11/23/2005 7:56:41 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Brilliant

"I would say that maybe Einstein's insight was more brilliant than Newton's were, but when you think of it, the laws of gravity really were a major insight."

This ranking business is childish.

Newton's Principia (written in 18 months) changed the world like nobody has before or since.

Before him there was no belief that the laws of nature were universal. That is, that things on Earth acted liked they did in the heavens and vice versa.

And theories, like Copernicus' were just fairytales. Myths. Likely stories. For there was no reason for things to be that way. No glue. (Such as gravity.)

Not to mention the small fact that Newtonian physics got us to the moon. Enstein and these other johnny come latelys had practically nothing to do with that-- or much else that is done in every day engineering and applied physics.

That is changing and will change more in the future. But still, there it is.


145 posted on 11/23/2005 7:57:27 PM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Ichneumon

You need to read a book on Newton if you don't even know that.


146 posted on 11/23/2005 7:57:56 PM PST by Sam Hill
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To: PatrickHenry

This is a surprise? There never would have been an Einstein if there never was a Newton.


147 posted on 11/23/2005 7:58:18 PM PST by ontos-on
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To: SpaceBar; PatrickHenry
And now for our next question, who was the more enlightened, the guy who invented the chisel or Michelangelo?

I don't know what the fuss is all about -- the statue was in the rock the whole time, Michaelangelo just chipped the covering off so people could see it.

;-)

148 posted on 11/23/2005 7:59:00 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: SpaceBar

You have a very small idea of what you are talking about.


149 posted on 11/23/2005 8:00:01 PM PST by ontos-on
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To: Right Wing Assault

Ok, technically, you're correct.

Now, what if you dropped a canon ball and at the same time shot a similar canon ball out at a 90 degree angle. Which would land first?


150 posted on 11/23/2005 8:00:42 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: WillamShakespeare
Olivia Newton-John is a better entry to this thread than most probably realize. She easily connects to both. She was born in Cambridge, where Newton taught. Her maternal grandfather was Einstein's close friend and Nobel prize in physics winner, Max Born.
151 posted on 11/23/2005 8:00:53 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: ontos-on

Yes, wasn't Einstein Newton's son by Marilyn Monroe.


152 posted on 11/23/2005 8:01:12 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: phantomworker

"Now, what if you dropped a canon ball and at the same time shot a similar canon ball out at a 90 degree angle. Which would land first?"

That's popularly called the "Monkey Ball" experiment. Galileo invented it.

And he showed that they land at the same time.


153 posted on 11/23/2005 8:02:37 PM PST by Sam Hill
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To: ontos-on
You have a very small idea of what you are talking about.

And you seem to have a very limited sense of humor.
154 posted on 11/23/2005 8:02:37 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: jaguaretype

Fermi can be in the top 20 scientists in history.


155 posted on 11/23/2005 8:04:27 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: Sam Hill

You're right. But why?

(Galileo was earlier than Newton though, right?)


156 posted on 11/23/2005 8:05:02 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: Right Wing Assault

OH, How funny!


157 posted on 11/23/2005 8:07:23 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: Ichneumon

Not to demean Newton's rightful historical prominence at all, but just out of curiosity I wonder how much Newton's vote total by the Royal Society was enhanced by the fact that he was "one of the hometown boys" -- Newton was a very prominent early member of the Royal Society itself.

Given this, I don't think the result of the poll was ever in question. I doubt if any London bookies would have even given odds.

158 posted on 11/23/2005 8:08:56 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: phantomworker
Now, what if you dropped a canon ball and at the same time shot a similar canon ball out at a 90 degree angle. Which would land first?

Over reasonable distances and speeds, they hit at about the same time if dropped/fired horizontally from the same level since their downward acceleration is the same (even though the fired ball travels a much greater horizontal distance).

If you drop one cannon ball on the moon and fire the other cannon ball horizontally on the moon at very high speed, it will never hit the moon while the dropped one will.

159 posted on 11/23/2005 8:09:05 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Correct. And it might hit you in the back in head at some point... Unless it hits escape velocity.


160 posted on 11/23/2005 8:14:37 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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