Posted on 11/20/2005 1:14:17 PM PST by Moonman62
Edited on 11/20/2005 1:23:56 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a gunfight — some by their own hand to avoid capture. A U.S. official said Sunday that efforts were under way to determine if terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among the dead.
Insurgents, meanwhile, killed an American soldier and a Marine in separate attacks over the weekend, while a British soldier was killed by a roadside bomb in the south.
In Washington, a U.S. official said the identities of the terror suspects killed was unknown. Asked if they could include al-Zarqawi, the official replied: "There are efforts under way to determine if he was killed."
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.
American soldiers maintained control of the site, imposing extraordinary security measures, a day after a fierce gunbattle that broke out when Iraqi police and U.S. soldiers surrounded a house after reports that al-Qaida in Iraq members were inside.
Three insurgents detonated explosives and killed themselves to avoid capture, Iraqi officials said. Eleven Americans were wounded, the U.S. military said.
The U.S. soldier killed Sunday near the capital was assigned to the Army's Task Force Baghdad and was hit by small arms fire, the military said. The Marine, assigned to Regimental Combat Team 8, 2nd Marine Division, died of wounds suffered the day before in Karmah, a village outside Fallujah to the west of the capital.
Their deaths brought to at least 2,093 the number of U.S. service members who have died since the war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
In the southern city of Basra, a roadside bomb killed a British soldier and wounded four others, the British Ministry of Defense said. The ministry said 98 British soldiers have died in the Iraq conflict.
The U.S. military also said Sunday that 24 people — including another American Marine and 15 civilians — were killed the day before in an ambush on a joint U.S. Iraqi patrol in Haditha, 140 miles northwest of Baghdad in the volatile Euphrates River valley.
According to the U.S. statement, the attack began Saturday with a roadside bomb detonating next to the Marine's vehicle, followed by a heavy volley of fire from insurgents.
"Iraqi army soldiers and Marines returned fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding another," the statement said.
Meanwhile, four women were killed Sunday night when gunmen stormed their home in a Christian district of eastern Baghdad, police said, adding that valuables were stolen and the motive for the attack appeared to have been robbery.
The latest deaths occurred at the end of a violent three-day period in which at least 140 Iraqi civilians died in a series of bombings and suicide attacks — most targeting Shiite Muslims.
The victims included 76 people who died Friday in near-simultaneous suicide bombings at two Shiite mosques in Khanaqin and 36 more killed the next day by a suicide car bomber who detonated his vehicle amid mourners at a Shiite funeral north of the capital.
In Washington, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Sunday on ABC's "This Week" that commanders' assessments will determine the pace of any military drawdown. About 160,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq as the country approaches parliamentary elections Dec. 15.
The Pentagon has said it plans to scale back troop strength to its pre-election baseline of 138,000, depending on conditions. Rumsfeld said the U.S.-led coalition continues to make progress in training Iraqi security forces, which he placed at 212,000.
Rumsfeld also said talk in the United States of a quick withdrawal from Iraq plays into the hands of the insurgents.
"The enemy hears a big debate in the United States, and they have to wonder maybe all we have to do is wait and we'll win. We can't win militarily. They know that. The battle is here in the United States," he told "Fox News Sunday."
In Cairo, Egypt, Iraq's president said Sunday he was ready for talks with anti-government opposition figures and members of Saddam Hussein's outlawed Baath Party, and he called on the Sunni-led insurgency to lay down its arms and join the political process.
But President Jalal Talabani, attending an Arab League-sponsored reconciliation conference, insisted that the Iraqi government would not meet with Baath Party members who are participating in the Sunni-led insurgency and attacking Iraqi and U.S.-led forces in the country.
"I am the president of Iraq and I am responsible for all Iraqis. If those who describe themselves as Iraqi resistance want to contact me, they are welcome," Talabani told reporters. "I want to listen to all Iraqis. I am committed to listen to them, even those who are criminals and are on trial."
Talabani made clear in his remarks, however, that he would talk with insurgents and "criminals" only if they put down their weapons.
In Baghdad, hundreds of Sunnis demanded an end to the torture of detainees and called for the international community to pressure Iraqi and U.S. authorities to ensure that such abuse does not occur.
Anger over detainee abuse has increased sharply since U.S. troops found 173 detainees at an Interior Ministry prison in Baghdad's Jadriyah neighborhood. The detainees, mainly Sunnis, were found malnourished and some had torture marks on their bodies. Sunni Arabs dominate the insurgent ranks.
The 400 protesters carried posters of tortured detainees, disfigured dead bodies and U.S. troops detaining Iraqis as they marched for a few hundred meters (yards) through western Baghdad.
Iraq's Shiite-led government has promised an investigation and punishment for anyone guilty of torture. Attacks against Shiite civilians by Sunni religious extremists have occurred throughout the Iraq conflict but spiked since the detainees were found last weekend.
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Associated Press correspondents Katherine Shrader in Washington, D.C., Sinbad Ahmed in Mosul and Qassim Abdul-Zahra in Baghdad contributed to this report.
The threat of killing the king was his last straw, however i am of the opinion that he was given up by his countrymen after he in essence declared jihad on Jordan.
Are you trying to give gin and raisins a bad name?
Then again, maybe it's not!
Am I being harsh?
If Zarcowie is dead, then the Dims should surrender to Zarcowie.
;-)
I don't trust them, either. My guess is that the critical piece of info was that Z was travelling w/ one of his wives. I think that once that tidbit was out there, tracking a group of guys w/ one woman made the job easier.
"Its 5 o'clock somewhere! ;)"
True. I was thinking the same thing.
I haven't done it yet. But will you join me?
"What iritates me about the story, is how the reporter has to mix in unrelated coalition casualties, starting with the second paragraph.
This would be really very bad news for the Democrats who after the vote on Iraq are feeling very fragile right now.
We must study a way to break the news to them very gently so as to not upset them and make them angry.
After all their whole election strategy has be to hand our military a defeat for their own cheap political gain because they are too dull and stupid for the "kiss the baby" decent way of making politics.
80 should have said "Bin Laden's family never ratted ... nor Mullah Omar's". (Computing lying down)
$25 million, plus Bruce Willis threw in an extra mil.
Details here.
No, you are right on target.
Great if one is in the market for purchasing.
There's more d#mn ad's on Fox News then there is on the Home Shopping Network!
Yes, but as I understand it, BinLaden had been cut off by his family for years prior to 9/11 - they may not have known where he was at any time. I think Al Zarqawi's situation may be diffent. Let's hope.
This is akin to walking up to a sleeping lion, jabbing it in the hindquarters with a sharp pointy stick, and saying, "Hey, ugly. Yeah, I'm talking to YOU, fool!"
If this is true let us take to the streets with our flags and Party......
Not at all. I imagine he gave general orders and left it up to his security people what to do. But they did not prevent Iraqis from going in and out of the country. A number of Saddam's connections fled to Jordan after the invasion, for instance, and have sheltered there.
England had a similar policy in the late nineteenth century, when anarchists and bomb throwers from the continent were allowed in as long as they behaved themselves in England. Conrad's "The Secret Agent" tells one such story. Actually one of my own ancestors fled to London from the Austro-Hungarian Empire after the collapse of the 1848 revolution.
This is not necessarily a bad policy. But what I'd suggest is that the terrorists broke the compact, which was understood rather than spelled out, so Jordan's policy had to change. It could be that someone with connections to Zarqawi decided that a man who would blow up dozens of people at a Muslim wedding in Jordan no longer deserved protection.
Still pure speculation, of course.
True ... but I wonder if he really called in every day to say, "I'm going to Mohammed's house today to play with bombs".
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