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French Muslim leaders reject blame for riots-(Demand France unconditional surrender )
Reuteurs ^ | 11.17.05 | Tom Heneghan

Posted on 11/17/2005 10:58:55 AM PST by Flavius

PARIS (Reuters) - French Muslim leaders denounced on Thursday efforts to blame Muslims and Islam for recent riots in the country's rundown suburbs and said they saw worrying signs of growing prejudice against their faith here. ADVERTISEMENT

Many young rioters may have been from Muslim backgrounds, but their violent outburst was a protest against unemployment, poor housing and other bias they faced because of their foreign origins, they told journalists.

Urban violence, which some politicians in France and some media abroad portrayed as a kind of Muslim uprising, fell back to normal levels on Thursday after three weeks in which 9,000 vehicles and many buildings were set on fire.

"They didn't act like that because they're Muslims, but because of the misery they're living in," said Kamel Kabtane, rector of the Grand Mosque of Lyon in eastern France.

"There weren't just Mohammads and Alis in those groups (of rioters) -- there were Tonys and Daniels too," said Dalil Boubakeur, the Paris Grand Mosque rector who is also head of France's official Muslim Council (CFCM).

When the riots broke out after the accidental deaths of two youths apparently fleeing police in a poor Paris suburb, some conservative politicians publicly suggested radical Islamists were either behind the unrest or exploiting it to win new supporters.

When little proof for that emerged, some then began singling out polygamy -- which is illegal but practiced among some black African immigrants -- as a factor slowing integration here.

"This problem is tiny," Kabtane said of polygamy, which unofficial estimates say concerns about 15,000 families around the country. "They just want to start a controversy."

France's 5-million strong Muslim minority is the largest in Europe and makes up 8 percent of the population here. Most Muslims live in the rundown suburbs rocked by the unrest.

BLAME GAME

Finding someone to blame for the unrest is a hot political issue here because of looming presidential elections in 2007. Most experts see it resulting from the failure by governments of both left and right to integrate immigrants in recent decades.

Many French Muslims are culturally Islamic but not very religious. French media mostly called the rioters "youths" while foreign media described them more frequently as Muslims.

At a major conference on Islam in Vienna that ended on Wednesday, several speakers mentioned the French riots together with last week's terrorist bombings in Amman that killed 54 people, even though there was no link between them.

In fact, French Muslim leaders called for peace and imams often sought out young rioters to persuade them to calm down.

Mohammad Bechari, head of the National Federation of French Muslims (FNMF), said Muslim leaders were concerned about the rioting but disagreed with the way many local officials turned to religious leaders to try to calm the youths down.

"We refuse to be sub-contractors," he said.

"When French farmers go out on protest, they don't turn to the Catholic Bishops' Conference to intervene," Kabtane added.

Boubakeur said politicians should "stop Islamising all problems concerning Muslims ... We don't want to be the scapegoats for the failures of integration policy."

Bechari complained about what he called "a very strong rise in Islamophobia" and said xenophobic acts -- such as verbal and physical attacks on Muslims and their property were rising.

"We just want to be treated like everyone else, like the Catholics or the Jews," he said


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1 posted on 11/17/2005 10:58:56 AM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius

If this is really the case, why were they all shouting "Allah Akbar" while they rioted and demanding the french police leave the "occupied territories"?


2 posted on 11/17/2005 11:01:10 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Liberalism is the disease of the stupid - The Great One)
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To: Flavius

Can someone please tell me whom to surrender to?? Anyone? Common guys we've done this before I just need to know what to sign.

3 posted on 11/17/2005 11:03:16 AM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: Flavius
French Muslim leaders reject blame for riots -(Demand France unconditional surrender)

France Unconditionally Surrenders to Muslim Leaders



Oh, sorry. That's tomorrow's headline.

4 posted on 11/17/2005 11:03:54 AM PST by BostonianRightist (Justice: A Dish Best Served Swiftly)
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To: Personal Responsibility

"Mohammads and Alis in those groups (of rioters) -- there were Tonys and Daniels "

Yup. Tony Akbar and Danny Osama.


5 posted on 11/17/2005 11:04:24 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: BostonianRightist

It's just a matter of time.


6 posted on 11/17/2005 11:04:51 AM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: Personal Responsibility


Yep. And there are no WMDs in Iraq either.


7 posted on 11/17/2005 11:04:58 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Flavius

Not that I care about the French, but I say the same to the muzzies there as here: You don't like it? GET OUT!


8 posted on 11/17/2005 11:06:23 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: bk1000

We refuse to be sub-contractors," he said.
"When French farmers go out on protest, they don't turn to the Catholic Bishops' Conference to intervene," Kabtane added.

Last time I checked French farmers didn't fill their souls with hatred from Church and they didn't do any action in the name of Jesus Christ.


9 posted on 11/17/2005 11:14:25 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Flavius

""They didn't act like that because they're Muslims,"

They did it because they are a bunch of uncivilized animals. They did it because their cult justifies such behavior. They did it because they knew the french wouldn't resist.


10 posted on 11/17/2005 11:23:58 AM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Islam is a terrorist organization.)
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"They didn't act like that because they're Muslims, but because of the misery they're living in,"

This explains all the other riots across the world in other poor countries. Not.

11 posted on 11/17/2005 12:42:47 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Flavius

Extract from a current news story might be of interest:

"French nationals among insurgents in Iraq
12:01 AM November 18

A total of 22 French nationals have been formally identified after joining the anti-US insurgency in Iraq and at least two of them have died in suicide attacks.

Interior Ministry officials say of the 22, seven - including the suicide bombers - are known to be have been killed.

Two are in prison and the whereabouts of the other 13 are uncertain."


12 posted on 11/17/2005 1:33:36 PM PST by Fair Go
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"French Muslim leaders reject blame for riots"

It was a Zionist plot (sarcasm).


13 posted on 11/17/2005 1:36:24 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Flavius

-"They didn't act like that because they're Muslims, but because of the misery they're living in,"-

MuSlums are pretty miserable no matter where they live. I guess that's what makes it OK.


14 posted on 11/17/2005 1:38:18 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Flavius

Maybe if these raghead youths learn to speak French and learn a trade other than sitting in a mosque all day getting brainwashed into hating the "infidels" they wouldn't be so upset all the time. They need to find a real religion instead of the cult they are in.


15 posted on 11/17/2005 5:32:13 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: bk1000

"Not that I care about the French, but I say the same to the muzzies there as here: You don't like it? GET OUT!"

You do realize that they'll probably just come here, right?


16 posted on 11/17/2005 10:13:19 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: aimhigh; Flavius
"They didn't act like that because they're Muslims, but because of the misery they're living in, because they are Muslims, who want no part of being French."

allah ack-ack--ackack-ACK-BOOM-bar!

17 posted on 11/18/2005 12:14:34 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Flavius
Pssst.... Bush's fault... get with the program.
18 posted on 11/18/2005 12:21:57 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Flavius; All
I was reading this very story on Yahoo, and I thought I would go to the discussion board just to see what people were saying about it. A poster called Jihad4u2 posted the comment below.

"As we have been victorious everywhere we have gone so will we be victorious in the USA. We are already in your cities and towns. Our mosques stand in your largest cities. Our children attend our schools and yours. You shop in our markets and purchase our products. You are financing your own defeat. Allah tricks you in your arrogance."

Isn't the religion of peace wonderful?
19 posted on 11/18/2005 6:10:55 AM PST by russesjunjee (Islam and the mainstream media worship the same master...)
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To: aimhigh
Maybe they should stop worshiping Satan...uh...I mean... Allah...and then they wouldn't be so miserable.
20 posted on 11/18/2005 6:17:39 AM PST by russesjunjee (Islam and the mainstream media worship the same master...)
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