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Town Hall.com ^ | 11-16-05 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 11/16/2005 7:05:02 AM PST by SheLion

If you've gotten used to smoke-free bars, here's a new concept to wrap your mind around: smoke-free cigar lounges. This innovation comes to us courtesy of Washington state's voters, who recently approved an initiative that bans smoking in nearly every indoor location except for private residences.

 The ban makes no exception for businesses whose raison d'etre is tobacco consumption, even if they have ventilation systems that whisk smoke away as soon as it's produced. By forbidding smoking within 25 feet of entrances and windows, it even threatens to eliminate sidewalk smoking sections and quick outdoor cigarette breaks.

 As these provisions suggest, the real motivation behind government-imposed smoking bans is not to shield customers and employees from secondhand smoke, although that rationale is popular with the general public. For the activists and government officials who push the bans, the main point is to discourage smoking by making it inconvenient and socially unacceptable, transforming it into a shameful vice practiced only in privacy and isolation.

 That doesn't mean everyone who voted for the Washington ban, which will be the most restrictive state law of its kind in the country when it takes effect on Dec. 8, is eager to save smokers from themselves. By and large, I'm sure, the ban's supporters simply wanted to avoid tobacco smoke without having to make any sacrifices.

For example, they did not want to have to choose between tolerating smoke and passing over otherwise appealing bars and restaurants that allow smoking. Instead they decided to force the owners of those establishments to change their policies by threatening to fine them and take away the licenses on which their livelihoods depend.

 Contrary to the propaganda put out by the initiative campaign (which raised about $1.4 million, more than 100 times as much as the opposition), support for the ban probably had little to do with the possible long-term health effects of secondhand smoke. It's hard to believe there are many people who sit in smoky bars and worry that, if they stay there for 30 years, their tiny risk of
lung cancer might increase slightly.

 People who object to secondhand smoke are much more likely to be worried about the immediate smell and discomfort. But they feel that if they pretend to believe the smoke is not only bothering them but might be killing them, their complaint becomes a legally enforceable right.

  There is nothing noble about this impulse to impose one's own tastes and preferences on everyone. "People ... stood up and said we believe this is the right thing to do," an American Cancer Society spokesman told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer after the vote. "We're proud to stand along [with] others who are trying to protect their community."

 How much courage does it take, in a state where nonsmokers outnumber smokers by four to one, to declare that the minority's desires should count for nothing, even when business owners want to accommodate them? How admirable is it, in a state where 80 percent of restaurants already are smoke-free, to insist that the rest follow suit?

 The employee protection excuse does not make this demand any more reasonable. As a nonsmoking Seattle bartender told The Seattle Times, "You know what you're getting into when you work in a bar. If I had a problem with smoke, I'd get another job."

 Secondhand smoke is, in any case, not the main concern of those who promote smoking bans in the name of "public health." Laws like Washington's are "one of the most effective ways to provide the strong incentive often needed to get smokers to quit," according to John Banzhaf, executive director of Action on Smoking and Health.

  "We know tough indoor laws are a motivator to quit," a spokesman for the Washington Department of Health told the Everett Herald. "We want to help people do that." How could smokers be anything but grateful?

Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason magazine and a contributing columnist on Townhall.com.


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1 posted on 11/16/2005 7:05:04 AM PST by SheLion
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2 posted on 11/16/2005 7:05:28 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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We need to start discrimination lawsuits against these pukes.


3 posted on 11/16/2005 7:07:25 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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Read how much smokers are contributing to their state economy.  And some have the nerve to say smokers are the reason for higher health costs.  Read this and know the truth.

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4 posted on 11/16/2005 7:07:39 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

"People who object to secondhand smoke are much more likely to be worried about the immediate smell and discomfort."

Does this mean I can now complain about the woman wearing the cheap perfume that stinks to high heaven and gives me headaches?


5 posted on 11/16/2005 7:08:13 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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To: SheLion

Gotta love Sullum's reasonability.


6 posted on 11/16/2005 7:10:17 AM PST by Gabz
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Please do!!!!!!


7 posted on 11/16/2005 7:10:52 AM PST by Gabz
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Does this mean I can now complain about the woman wearing the cheap perfume that stinks to high heaven and gives me headaches?

I wish!  But the anti's don't care about that.  All they want to do is make the smoker's lives as miserable as possible while still using our tax dollars to keep their lives happy and comfortable.  It's enough to make one puke.

8 posted on 11/16/2005 7:11:24 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

Funny that the socialists who whine and wring their hands over our "loss of rights" vis-a-vis the War on Terror, have no problem taking away the rights of others when it suits them.


9 posted on 11/16/2005 7:11:43 AM PST by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: visualops
Funny that the socialists who whine and wring their hands over our "loss of rights" vis-a-vis the War on Terror, have no problem taking away the rights of others when it suits them.

Especially when it's their own home-grown brother who chooses to smoke a legal commodity!

10 posted on 11/16/2005 7:13:13 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

the real problem - and how things have got so far out of line, is that smokers will carp about being picked on, then go right ahead and reelect those doing the picking.

it is hard to think of an election that the margin couldn't have shifted has smokers voted en masse for their own interest.


11 posted on 11/16/2005 7:14:15 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

THANK YOU!


12 posted on 11/16/2005 7:14:31 AM PST by Woman on Caroline Street (Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.)
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To: SheLion

Time to move against Channel#5. That garbage always makes me want to urinate ~ then, after we get rid of that stuff, let's prohibit all anti-smoking activists from using internal combustion engines or eating barbequed food.


13 posted on 11/16/2005 7:16:39 AM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: camle
it is hard to think of an election that the margin couldn't have shifted has smokers voted en masse for their own interest.

This Washington ban was voted on.....and look what happened.........

14 posted on 11/16/2005 7:16:45 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz

yep. it's amazing that people would subsidize their own persecution. but it has happenned over and over again...


15 posted on 11/16/2005 7:18:37 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: SheLion

The Republic is dead. I would like to personally thank the Freepers that support this socialism. Welcome to your new socialist utopia.


16 posted on 11/16/2005 7:21:44 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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To: camle

But smokers are outnumbered 4-1 in Washington.

Basically smokers are really subsidizing their own persecution through exise taxes. The promoters of these bans are very highly funded through taxes and grants from such leftwing outfits as the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

Our side soes not have the funding to counter the propaganda. It gets very frustrating whrn you know you have the truth on your side but have no means of getting it in front of the public.


17 posted on 11/16/2005 7:23:12 AM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion
"the main point is to discourage smoking by making it inconvenient and socially unacceptable"

I think the main reason is really just to punish smokers. If they actually dissuaded smoking, they'd be costing themselves a whole bunch of money.
18 posted on 11/16/2005 7:24:32 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: Gabz

a minority can often prevail if it is viociferous and persistent.


19 posted on 11/16/2005 7:26:23 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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Evergreen State ping

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.

Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

20 posted on 11/16/2005 7:27:37 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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