Posted on 11/15/2005 6:51:13 AM PST by DTogo
...HANNITY: Because you had made a controversial statement, and you seem to be backing off of it now, and it was that people that are here illegally, that they all ought to be sent back.
I'm paraphrasing.
And it seems like now you've sort of backed off that position a little bit, because there are million that we estimate that are in this country illegally.
Why wouldn't we send them back?
CHERTOFF: ...I also recognize we've got, according to some estimates, 10 to 11 million illegals already in this country working. And the cost of identifying all of those people and sending them back would be stupendous. It would be billions and billions of dollars...
HANNITY: Why — in that sense, aren't you really rewarding those that didn't respect our laws and sovereignty? In other words, OK, you're saying, you came into this country illegally.
Now that we've identified you, we're going to let you even stay longer and make money, and then you can go back in three to six years.
Why don't we say, no, you're here illegally, you didn't respect our laws, you ought to go home? Why don't we just say that?
CHERTOFF: Well, Sean, you know, it's really an issue of practicality.
I mean, as a practical matter, we've got to identify these people and pull them out of the shadows.
Now, this is not an amnesty. This is not — the president's proposal is not a path to citizenship. It's clearly temporary, and it clearly envisions people who would have to commit to go back....
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So has anyone seen the obviously liberal Law and Order's preview of the Minute Men dilemna? Apparently somehow the Minute Men are supposed to be responsible for illegals dying in a 'boiling hot truck'. Let's demonize those trying to do what our weenie government isn't capable of doing. How are detectives from New York going to be involved with a Mexican border issue anyway? Somehow they'll make it happen I guess.
I said, "The USG doesn't have to send most of them back if they crack down on employers." Obviously, if they are US citizens, then we can't send them back.
Agree that we need to amend the law that anyone born in this country is automatically a citizen regardless of whether their parents are citizens or not. Not only do they become citizens, but they also become magnets to bring in other family members legally. I personally know of several incidents of Pakistanis bringing their wives to the US to have their babies on a tourist visa, just to obtain citizenship.
The Constitution needs to be amended. There is a procedure to do so, which is also in the Constitution.
Fine.......lets remove just half of the illegals! Makes my day.
>>>But MBNA gives a few palty million in contributions to the GOP and get perhaps $10 billion in additional profits over 10 years via the bankruptcy "reform" bill.>>>
Yes, and those who are unfortunately enough to have an injury and can't pay for a surgery their HMO doesn't cover, or cancer doesn't have the bankruptcy option any longer. But MBNA can gain mega profits. I'm for people being responsible for their debts, but unless we are willing to begin debtors prison... Oh wait, I think that is the next option for MBNA.
For the first time since 2000 I'm starting to dislike Bush. I hate to say that out loud.
Bush the elder was a failure as president and junior is fast following in Dad's shoes.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
Before you deport them, you need to secure the border - otherwise you're just giving them a free ride back home.
>>>What I cannot figure out is WHY in God's name freepers won't support some kind of plan to allow these people to pay a financial penalty and STAY. >>>
Because 95% of them send 95% of their income back to Mexico and gain much by our welfare system with food stamps/health care/education. Maybe if they would actually become a part of America and not have one foot in America, one in Mexico... I know personally 10 mexicans living in one house. They all work, switching out sitting the kids with different shifts. They live all in one house because they spare spending money here (and getting adequate housing and barely enough food) so they can send lots of money back to Mexico. Not helping our economy much, is it?
"And the cost of identifying all of those people and sending them back would be stupendous. It would be billions and billions of dollars..."
KEEPING THEM HERE will cost MORE than that.
NOT APPREHENDING criminals encourages more to come here, and we pay the costs in increased hospital and medical expenses and in social support network expenses, and in criminal apprehension and trial and detention costs. The predatory, exploitative employers who use these people win and we loose.
The Bush administration simply does not get it.
The overwhelming number of Americans - Republicans, Democrats, and Independents want this flood of illegal invaders stopped and these criminals apprehended and removed.
The ONLY people opposing this are predatory employers, racial activitist groups and this administration.
The Administration is holding out for approval of Bush's bogus "Guest Worker" program.
We don't need "Guest Workers". This is a thinly veiled program to create a permanent underclass of transient exploited workers - nearly all of them from the same country - Mexico - who will pose as much of a security and social risk as occurs in Europe with North African Muslims.
If we do need more workers in America, we should EXPAND the number of LEGAL immigrants permitted from EVERY Country to allow people who want to come here and BE AMERICANS and raise their children as Americans. This would increase the number of productive permanent citizens, eliminate a permanent underclass of serfs, and assure that we are not inundated with a flood of people all coming from the same country, i.e. Mexico. Doing this will prevent the flow of American dollars oout of this country and will encourage assimilation by limiting the numbers of any one group of immigrants from a single country. It will also forestall attempts by the Meican governmnet to Mexicanize our American Southwest.
Why this is not being discussed in Washington is beyond me.
Did WE win the Mexican War, or did the MEXICANS win the Mexican War??
By behavinig in this fashion, Bush is piling up tinder that the Dems will use to their advantage in 2006 and 2008.
Mark my words.
it's not in the constitution.
It's in a bad interpretation of the constitution.
Just like abortion.
>>>Bush the elder was a failure as president and junior is fast following in Dad's shoes.>>>
He's still better than Kerry, but I'm very dissapointed in his second term.
Yeah it is Bush's fault. He could just snap his fingers and things will change. There are powerful forces across the political spectrum who want to maintain the status quo. The business interests want a steady supply of cheap labor and the Dems want the votes of the largest and fastest growing minority group in the country. It will take a major grassroots effort to get the political elites to change our policies.
"What I cannot figure out is WHY in God's name freepers won't support some kind of plan to allow these people to pay a financial penalty and STAY. Many of them have supervisory positions, or own small businesses, employ people, have homes, keep the laws as well as most citizens (except those they break because they are simply trying to stay here)."
Here's a plan. Open up a small business. Put our life savings into it. Play by the rules. Break your back getting it off the ground and operating at a profitable level. Then sit back and watch your scumbag competitors who hire illegals low ball every esimate you have given out. Watch your money dwindle becaue you're playing by the rules and run your business LEGALLY. Lose all your life savings. Go out of business.
Then get back to me.
If your business relies on ILLEGALS to make ends meet, your a dirtbag, pure and simple. You have an illegitimate business model.
Got it now?
I have seen this happen dozens of times in CT to legit small business owners.
Unfortunately, I have to agree.
Is this really a surprise to anyone? REALLY??
At the time he made his statement, I knew it was all hat and no cattle. Now we are seeing the proof of the pudding.
In order to understand why the Bush Administration is so pathetically weak on immigration controls, it is important to understand both the Trans-Texas Corridor and the FTAA.
When you start adding up what those two initiatives are about, it all becomes very clear.
That section of the COnstitution needs to be repealed.
It was adopted post Civil War to prevent loss of citizenship rights for newly freed slaves.
It was never intended to be a free ticket for illegal invaders to slip under the naturalization screen.
Another lying gas bag. Chertoff was just trying to stem complaints from the grass roots. Liar.
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