THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EMBRACES EVOLUTION!!!!

MuscleHead Revolution ^ | 11.14.2005 | Kevin McCullough

[jodiluvshoes]

In a remarkably odd statement this past week, the Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin!

In fact Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture said that "if the Bible were read correctly" that the Genesis description of how God created the universe and Darwin's theory of evolution were "perfectly compatible."

"The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator".

He went on to advocate that the idea of creation is a theological one, while the substance of origins is a scientific one and that Catholics should "know" how science sees such things so as to "understand better."

[Scotswife]

"Your point about Father. Despite whether calling one's sperm donor father is correct or not, it still does not justify the Catholic Church's adopting a title that Christ explicitly said don't."

You better check out the writings of Paul then...it seems he violated your personal interpretation of Jesus's words.

You see...it's all about interpretation.

[Rokke]

"Luther was a drunk who violated all of his vows, altered ...."

To paraphrase a couple other posts in this thread....your hatred of Protestants is showing.

[jscd3]

I guess my public school physics' class could be wrong about that. I highly doubt it was mistaken, though.

I don't know what your class tought, but if it taught that the Cathoic Church (whose colleges were teaching Copernican theory as one of several possible alternatives for explaining stellar motion for several decades before Galileo)persected scientists than, yeah, it was mistaken.

Don't feel to bad though...I can't tell you how many times I read in some text book that most people thought that the world was flat before Columbus's voyage. And I clearly remember my high school AP Biology text book indicating that human embryos have, at some early stage of development, gill slits, which is nonsense, of course.

[Wolfstar]

A "day" is merely the amount of time it takes a planet to revolve around its axis. A "year" is the amount of time it takes a planet to revolve around its star. (We call our solar system's star the sun.)

There are countless billions of stars, many with planets revolving around them. Each one of those planets has its own length of day and year. (In fact, planets that do not revolve on their own axis, but which keep the same face to their star (sun), do not have days as we know them. Yet they only have years.)

In our own solar system, each planet has its own length of day and length of year.

So which length of day did God use to create the universe? Hmmm?

[Capriole]

Boy, I'll bet Satan really is enjoying this discussion. People attacking others for things that happened 500 years ago; people of both faiths presuming to understand the beliefs and feelings of the others; Christians judging other Christians; accusations, hostility, anger. Just like the Reformation. Yep, he's no doubt glad that the old hatreds are still there, distracting Catholic and Protestant believers alike from fighting their common enemy.

[jscd3]

I don't hate Protestants. My characterization of Luther was accurate.

Saying that my coments about Luther prove I hate Protestants is like saying that the nasty (and thoroughly accurate) comments made at Free Republic about Kerry proves that the posters here hate Vietnam Veterans.

By the way, what is you opinion on Luther's Doctrine of the Enslavement of the Will?

[truemiester]

Catholics have never beleived in the literal interpatation of the Old Testament. Evolution is thought to be the act of God expressing His will though the natural forces He created. Thus His Will Be Done any way He wants.

[The Mayor]

Oui Vey!

[JamesP81]

Ah, yes. But I seem to recall the existence of a bible verse that refers to the "four corners" of the Earth. Was the Bible right there, too???

I would think that this part of the Bible was written in poetic form, but without chapter and verse I can't say for sure. As I said in my last post, there are linguists much more knowledgeable than I that can explain it better. A google search would probably turn these items up.

[Wolfram]

"Your point about Father. Despite whether calling one's sperm donor father is correct or not, it still does not justify the Catholic Church's adopting a title that Christ explicitly said don't."

I think you failed to read my post.

Please refer back to Paul calling himself the father of church x or y. Christ instructed us to call the Lord as our Father (Father in Heaven) and then said "call no man your father" i.e. "call no man your heavenly Father" not "call absolutely no man "father" in any sense of the word."

[moog]

Agreed.

[moog]

The MSM is cranking up these stories practically weekly, for the specific purpose of creating confusion ... just as they publicise every goofball who wants to talk about how "Christian" homosexuality is.

Good point.

[moog]

There have been a couple of threads on it already.

Just a couple???

[Uri’el-2012]

It is truly sad that the Roman church rejects the Holy Word of G-d!

b'shem Y'shua

[moog]

The Church teaches that they don't truly know if God created the world in 6, 24 hr daysbut He could have but that however long it took God created it and created us and created our souls. Nobody truly knows except God himself. I'll leave it up to him to tell me later. I'm more concerned about where I'm going than where I've been.

[Rokke]

"By the way, what is you opinion on Luther's Doctrine of the Enslavement of the Will?"

I honestly don't have one. It would appear you have far more interest in Luther's opinion than I do. That's ironic considering I was raised a Lutheran and you have obviously never been one.

[Ben Chad]

The fact remains that man fell.

Or never measured up in the first place.

[moog]

Copernicus was wrong. He tried to order the galaxy with simple mathematical calculations. It isn't that simple.

Oh crap!

[Uri’el-2012]

Luther was a drunk who violated all of his vows, altered Romans to make it better support Sola Fide, and tried to get the books of James and Hebrews removed from the Bible because of their emphasis on works. This after eliminating the Apocrapha (Sola Scriptura anyone?) He also foolishly encouraged the German Princes to violently put down the Peasant Revolt since he was upset at their interpretation of the Bible and salvation (accusing the leaders of the revolt of antinomianism), and then was shocked when 50,000 or so people were killed. He also explained away his own personal failures by denying free will - read his thesis on Doctrine of the Enslavement of the Will, which he considered to be as important as Sola Scriptura. Note specifically his allegory of Man as a Horse, which rides off to do good or ill, not of it's own volition but simply because of which rider (God or Satan) has mounted it.

But that is mostly beside the point of the topic at hand. The Catholic Church did not persecute scientists for teaching that the earth orbited the sun, whereas Luther did.

52 posted on 11/14/2005 8:39:36 AM MST by jscd3

This looks like Christian bashing!