Corzine elected governor of New Jersey

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Corzine elected governor of New Jersey

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Democratic U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine (news, bio, voting record) was elected governor of New Jersey on Tuesday, defeating Republican Doug Forrester after an exceptionally nasty and expensive race, media outlets reported.

Corzine, a multi-millionaire and former Wall Street executive, and Forrester, a wealthy business owner, spent an estimated $72 million of their own money in campaigns marked by charges of corruption and infidelity, including the Forrester campaign's use of damning quotes by Corzine's ex-wife.

[Tired of Taxes]

Who had the smaller percent: Schundler (2001) or Forrester? I think it was Schundler.

I saw it mentioned somewhere that Forrester received 2% more than Schundler did. I don't know where I saw it now (somewhere here), and I don't know if they were referring to the primaries or the actual gubernatorial elections. I think they were referring to the latter.

[jrny]

It is so ironic, or God must have a strange sense of humor, that New Jersey is one of the best states currently to be a Traditional Catholic. I base this on the amount and availability of Tridentine Masses in the state and also on the less intrusive homeschool laws. It seems that there is an inverse relationship between the politics and the religious culture going on here.

I hope the homeschool laws continue to fly under the radar with Corzine et al.

[Salvation]

Sad for New Jersey!

[jpf]

No, he just didn't know it WAS 21!

[ZULU]

You forgot Florida. A lot of worms from the big apple have second homes down there and vote twice in Presidential elections.

I think we should have check points at the gates to enclosing walls around these places and only people who can pass a basic test in conservative values should be allowed out.

Let the rest stew in their own juices.

[jla]

If we're going to go down, I'd rather go down fighting behind a candidate who is a pulls-no-punches conservative--rather than just another RINO loser.

But it's not just that.

Elections are not just about winning - they are also about changing the minds of the voters.

And it takes time, and patience.

It took 16 years to go from Goldwater to Reagan.

The harmful effects of running a RINO go beyond losing - it alters the terms of the public debate - to the Left.

It changes the perception of non political junkies as to what constitutes respectable opinion.

And, of course, it discourages a lot of good people from becoming active in the first place.

It's true, for example, that if a Republican acceptable to us ran for the Senate from Maine next time, the seat would be lost.

But the major reason it would be lost is that Maine voters have never heard from Susan Collins why they should vote for a Republican.

It will take time to take back the country by voting.

But to start, good candidates have to run - and lose.

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The harmful effects of running a RINO go beyond losing - it alters the terms of the public debate - to the Left.

Exactly. That's where electing Tom Kean and Christie Toad Whitman have gotten us here in NJ--to the point where a corrupt, bearded, socialist wins easily.

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Cogent and incontestable. Thank you, gentlemen.

[Gipper08]

"But it's not just that.

Elections are not just about winning - they are also about changing the minds of the voters.

And it takes time, and patience.

It took 16 years to go from Goldwater to Reagan.

The harmful effects of running a RINO go beyond losing - it alters the terms of the public debate - to the Left.

It changes the perception of non political junkies as to what constitutes respectable opinion.

And, of course, it discourages a lot of good people from becoming active in the first place.

It's true, for example, that if a Republican acceptable to us ran for the Senate from Maine next time, the seat would be lost.

But the major reason it would be lost is that Maine voters have never heard from Susan Collins why they should vote for a Republican.

It will take time to take back the country by voting.

But to start, good candidates have to run - and lose."


worth repeating! but I am not so sure about the losing part!

[JimFreedom]

Well thats what we did. We left Ringoes NJ for Anguilla, a British Overseas Territory in the Caribbean. Been here four months, its great! Sold our NJ home for lots of $$ to a new school principle who appeared to be very much the socialist, LOL!

[ZULU]

"It's more than liberalism in NJ . "

I agree with your other points.

I also think the Republican party leadership in New Jerseey isn't operating on all eight cylinders. For the life of me, I can't understand why Forrrester beat out Schundler in the primaries there. I think Schundler would have made a better candidate. Also, I think they could have found a better candidate than even Schundler.

When Republicans run for state office in New Jersey they frequently also run as Democrat Light. Forrester presesnted himself as a Conservative in the primaries then ran as a Tom Kean "moderate" in the general election. I guess a lot of independents didn't really see any difference between the two and went with a quantity they knew. Also, in a race between two exceptionally lackluster candidates, Forrester presented an exceptionally lackluster persona in debates - or so I have been told.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

I still can't comprehend their mentality.

They ruin their natural habitat, turn it into a cesspool, and then flee to surrounding states.

Then, they proceed to turn those areas into simulacra of the feverswamps of idiocy that they fled.

Liberals really do suffer from some sort of psychological illness.

[jla]

but I am not so sure about the losing part!

I was going to say that exact thing, but I think I know where Jim Noble's coming from.
Of course we need to remain optimistic, but we also need to realize that the Status Quo Republicans have screwed things up to the point where we might just have to take two steps back before taking one forward. At least in some locales across the country.

[Mia T]

FOLLOW THE MONEY (Look at Essex County)
Unofficial 2005 election results for NJ Governor

[irons_player]

The Clinton's will get to handpick CorZines an RotenBergs replacements in the Senate.

[hoppity]

Some fellow FReepers are saying the same about us in CA. Like we can up and leave are families and friends. Some of us actually want to stay in the game and not cry and run away.

[Mia T]

The problem is not the logic of this argument, but its context.
As I see it, to suffer fools gladly post-9/11 is to do so at our peril.

We will not survive the Left running our foreign policy.
Certainly, we will not survive another clinton.
(We may yet not survive the first.)

WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?
by Mia T, 8.18.05

(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)
thanx to jla and Wolverine for the audio

DISCUSSION

"I remember exactly what happened. Bruce Lindsey said to me on the phone, 'My God, a second plane has hit the tower.' And I said, 'Bin Laden did this.' that's the first thing I said. He said, 'How can you be sure?' I said 'Because only bin Laden and the Iranians could set up the network to do this and they [the Iranians] wouldn't do it because they have a country in targets. Bin Laden did it.'

I thought that my virtual obsession with him was well placed and I was full of regret that I didn't get him."

bill clinton
Sunday, Sept 3, 2002
Larry King Live

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in '91 and he went to the Sudan.

We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him [bin Laden].

At the time, '96, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have; but they thought it was a hot potato. They didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

bill clinton
Sunday, Aug. 11, 2002
Clinton Reveals on Secret Audio:
I Nixed Bin Laden Extradition Offer

MAD hillary series #4
NANO-PRESIDENT
the danger of the unrelenting smallness
of bill + hillary clinton


(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)

PRESIDENTIAL FAILURE, 9/11 + KATRINA
by Mia T, 9.26.05

(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)
thanx to jla and Wolverine for the audio
 

deconstructing clinton… "just because I could"


(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)
FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU! FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME! 

COPYRIGHT MIA T 2005

WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?


BIN LADEN FINGERS CLINTON FOR TERROR SUCCESS (SEE FOOTAGE)
THE THREAT OF TERRORISM IS AS CLOSE AS A CLINTON IS TO THE OVAL OFFICE


THE DANGER OF RUNNING VICARIOUSLY
Bill O'Reilly chews up and spits out the hillary clinton candidacy
(clip included)


HILLARY'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PROBLEM
(see descriptor morphs)


Why hillary clinton should never be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office... or any position of power
REASON 1: SHE HIRED JAMIE GORELICK


sandy berger haberdashery feint
(the specs, not the pants or the socks)


THE LEFT'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans


pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic
WHY THE LEFT IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA


The Left's Fatally Flawed "Animal Farm" Mentality
(Why America Must NEVER AGAIN Elect a Democrat President)


the clinton-clinton-Broaddrick kind of rape, according to Susan Estrich


ESTRICH IMPEACHED BY HER OWN WORDS,
EXPOSES STOCK HILLARY PLOY: EXPLOIT WOMEN
my amazon.com review


STRANGE BEDFELLOWS: ED KLEIN AND SUSAN ESTRICH AGREE ABOUT HILLARY

COPYRIGHT MIA T 2005

 

[highball]

Funny, isn't it? Who are these scaredy-cat conservatives?

Don't run from the fight. Stay strong. We need you where you are.

[Jim Noble]

I was going to say that exact thing, but I think I know where Jim Noble's coming from.

When the People are not ready to elect a good candidate, we should not give them a bad one and hope they can be fooled.

If Schundler lost 60-40 this time, that 40% would be a base to build on for next time.

[Reagan Disciple]

No - the Gov appoints in NJ. Word is Rep. Melendez is the front runner.

[gridlock]

We need to develop some talent other than Forrester. The problem is, as long as he is willing to dump money in the Primary season, nobody can beat him to get the 'Pubbie nod. But he is a seriously flawed candidate and will continue to lose, over and over again.

Maybe after this round, he will have had enough. I wouldn't count on it, though. These vanity canidates can be very persistent.

I just get so frustrated, because Corzine was so very bad. I just can't see how anybody can go into a voting booth and throw the lever for that guy. Even if I imagine myself as a prototypical Democrat Lefty, I still can't see voting for a guy who is so obviously corrupt, even if he nominally supports my positions. Because you know he is going to be cutting his own deals and stabbing everybody in the back.

Maybe the (D) is enough for some people. I dunno. I'm depressed.

[gridlock]

Word is out that Corzine is appointing that little troll, Menendez, to the Senate as his replacement.

Oh, yeah. Menendez is the Mortal Lock. How historic! < / sarc>