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Kansas State Board Approves Teaching Standards Skeptical of Evolution
Fox News ^ | 11-08-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:10:06 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel

TOPEKA, Kan.-New science standards for Kansas' public schools, criticized for promoting creationism while treating evolution as a flawed theory, won approval Tuesday from the State Board of Education.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards and argued the changes would make teaching about evolution more balanced and expose studels teach science.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; junkscience
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To: Virginia-American
For the second time I apologize for using "Theory", I meant Hypothesis.
201 posted on 11/08/2005 8:24:14 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
What are they to do? Send all their children to private schools even though their tax dollars continue to support the public school system?

Yes.

As I said, to hell with the Republic and federalism apparently. I have no problem with paying taxes. They're there and they have to be paid. However, it is wrong to be forced to support something I do not use and will see no gain from.

202 posted on 11/08/2005 8:26:27 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: AndrewC

http://www.les.appstate.edu/courses/appalachia/religion/sbapt.htm


203 posted on 11/08/2005 8:28:11 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Coyoteman
Well, I am at a loss then. ID is in conflict with "Evolution addresses change in life since it developed, not its origin" in what way then? Why are all the evolutionists upset?
204 posted on 11/08/2005 8:31:27 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: js1138

Looks like a link to me, not an owner.


205 posted on 11/08/2005 8:31:28 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
There's so many wild acusations about ID, I'm posting the theory of Intelligent Design so everyone will have a least a small clue of what it is.

The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. ID is thus a scientific disagreement with the core claim of evolutionary theory that the apparent design of living systems is an illusion.

http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/index.htm

206 posted on 11/08/2005 8:33:13 PM PST by pulaskibush (http://kw7772005blog.blogspot.com/)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Sounds like America wants to revert back to superstition while America's rivals continue to progress their scientific infrastructure. Will those children who grow up believing earth is 10,000 years old will become future scientists? Or religious broadcasters?


207 posted on 11/08/2005 8:38:50 PM PST by sagar
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To: pulaskibush
While you are posting definitions if ID, here's what two of its defining advocates have to say about ID and evolution.

Michael Denton, author of "Evolution, a Theory in Crisis, has written a new book, "Nature's Destiny," on intelligent Design. In it he says this:

"it is important to emphasize at the outset that the argument presented here is entirely consistent with the basic naturalistic assumption of modern science - that the cosmos is a seamless unity which can be comprehended ultimately in its entirety by human reason and in which all phenomena, including life and evolution and the origin of man, are ultimately explicable in terms of natural processes.

This is an assumption which is entirely opposed to that of the so-called "special creationist school". According to special creationism, living organisms are not natural forms, whose origin and design were built into the laws of nature from the beginning, but rather contingent forms analogous in essence to human artifacts, the result of a series of supernatural acts, involving the suspension of natural law.

Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world - that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies."

Behe, the chief defence witness at Dover, has this to say about evolution:

I didn't intend to "dismiss" the fossil record--how could I "dismiss" it? In fact I mention it mostly to say that it can't tell us whether or not biochemical systems evolved by a Darwinian mechanism. My book concentrates entirely on Darwin's mechanism, and simply takes for granted common descent.

208 posted on 11/08/2005 8:41:41 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Yeeaaahhh!!! BOOOYYAAAHHH!!! Cry about it, O you who bow before apes. : )


209 posted on 11/08/2005 8:48:45 PM PST by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: Kimball
Point of clarification: I'm a red wine guy, and I don't buy anything French.

You fit in just fine! Don't listed to these trolls.

210 posted on 11/08/2005 8:49:56 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

"listed" of course means "listen"


211 posted on 11/08/2005 8:50:54 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: editor-surveyor
There is zero evidence on the face of the earth that evolution ever happened, and massive evidence that it didn't.

You are just absolutely wrong there. You are working from faith, not science. But if you want to ignore reality, it is useless to try to explain it to you.

212 posted on 11/08/2005 8:54:09 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Wow...they really do breed 'em stupid in Kansas. What an unbelievable regression.


213 posted on 11/08/2005 8:56:27 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: TheHound
I Present the Theory of Intelligent Design. Please demonstrate it to be false though experiment and observation.

OK, so it's actually the hypothesis of ID.

I still can't think of any observation that would contradict it.

In fact, I don't think it's possible in principle. Unless there are some limits placed on the hypothetical designer's abilities, anything is possible.

If ID is ever to replace standard biology, it will have to account for all the facts that existing theory does. I just don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that the hypothetical designer made sure that every mutation common to both whales and cows is also found in hippos; or every one common to cats and dogs is also found in bears; or every one common to chimps and gorillas is also found in people....

Well, I guess it could have designed them that way, but ID cannot make another prediction like the ones I just listed, whereas standard biology can, and has, and has been right every time so far.

214 posted on 11/08/2005 9:00:31 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: RightWhale; WestVirginiaRebel
An example of evolution in action. Evolution of the language.

And the dumbing down of American education continues. (Mispelling in the article theirs, not mine : ))


Surely the irony doesn't escape the educated.....
215 posted on 11/08/2005 9:00:34 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: IrishCatholic
Well, I am at a loss then. ID is in conflict with "Evolution addresses change in life since it developed, not its origin" in what way then? Why are all the evolutionists upset?

Because ID is not science, yet it is being forced into the classrooms by political means.

Some years ago, the Center for the Renewal of Science & Culture developed the The Wedge Strategy. We are now seeing that strategy in a number of different areas, including Kansas and Dover, PA. It is, in effect, bringing religion--and a single, specific religion, into public schools in violation of the US constitution.

All of this effort is not about teaching Buddhism in schools, or Old Man Coyote, or Nordic creation stories. It is about teaching the biblical version of creation. If it was, do you think it would be starting in Kansas?

Why do you think we are upset?

216 posted on 11/08/2005 9:04:25 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Virginia-American
There are several things ID can't explain. There are also several things evolution can't explain. What was before the big bang? How did the monkeys survived and man survived but all the supposed links died? How did a massive random explosion create a Earth capable of supporting life?

I say we have Chapter 1 the science book state that there's two theories of how life began. Both have pros and cons. Chapter 2 and beyond simply deal with facts w/out arguing for either origin, which is possible, See post 35 for example.

217 posted on 11/08/2005 9:11:48 PM PST by pulaskibush (http://kw7772005blog.blogspot.com/)
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To: js1138

Opinions from both sides. That's what most people want.


218 posted on 11/08/2005 9:14:26 PM PST by pulaskibush (http://kw7772005blog.blogspot.com/)
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To: wallcrawlr

I did not read the article yet but I like the title!

Thanks for pinging me wallcrawlr!!

Wolf


219 posted on 11/08/2005 9:16:39 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: editor-surveyor
There is zero evidence on the face of the earth that evolution ever happened, and massive evidence that it didn't.

Please explain why you are posting outright lies like that. We'll wait.

220 posted on 11/08/2005 9:19:00 PM PST by Ichneumon
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