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Just Whom Is This Divorce 'Good' For?
Washington Post ^ | Sunday, November 6, 2005 | Elizabeth Marquardt

Posted on 11/08/2005 8:01:14 AM PST by TBP

Before the divorce rate began its inexorable rise in the late 1960s, the common wisdom had been that, where children are concerned, divorce itself is a problem. But as it became widespread -- peaking at almost one in two first marriages in the mid-1980s -- popular thinking morphed into a new, adult-friendly idea: It's not the act of divorcing that's the problem, but simply the way that parents handle it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: boredom; butimbored; butiwant; butshenags; children; divorce; forthechildren; itsallaboutme; liberalism; liberals; mustfornicate; selfishness; sickinthehead
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To: Albion Wilde

And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery." --Jesus, in Matthew 19:8-9 and what did Jesus say about the spouse who might be a habitual drunk, wife beater, gambler, the spouse you are not equally yoked with?

Jesus knows people are not perfect, HOWEVER he judges people who refuse to look at him as the risen Messiah or does not ask for forgiveness in what we do do DAILY...


141 posted on 11/08/2005 11:10:46 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: timsbella
Another sage item she adds is don't marry in your early 20s.

Interesting, I'll be married to my wife 10 years and celebrate my 32nd birthday next September.

She's probably right though...there are way too many people I know in their early 20's that have not grown up, and have no idea what unselfishness, commitment and responsibility are.

142 posted on 11/08/2005 11:12:08 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (The 2005 Chicago White Sox---World Series Champs---WOO! HOO!)
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To: Albion Wilde

I agree.

Especially as Christians, we are to be there to hold each side to their vow and to encourage them to work through their differences, never to divorce and be done with it all.


143 posted on 11/08/2005 11:14:37 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: LWalk18

And you think the bickering you did have to be subjected to had nothing to do with their divorce? Divorces create just more things to bicker about... alimony, child support, visitation.. not to mention create animosity that lasts for decades as grown adults turn into 2 year olds and use their children and everything else they can get their hands on against each other.

You answered the question properly, when you answered it honestly:

"Do I wish I grew up in an intact family? Yes"

Had the divorced experience been nothing more than a topic of cocktail party conversations, there would be no need for you to answer that as a Yes. You conjecture what your life would have been like had they remained married, but you do not know.. you assume it would be as bad as when they bickered over visitation.. but you don't know.

I have seen what divorce does to kids, time and again.. its NOT the best solution.. and other than situations of true abuse or neglect its nothing more than selfishness when it comes to doing it when you have children.


144 posted on 11/08/2005 11:15:02 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: ConservativeMind
To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.

I am that brother, my wife is not a believer.....but I know when I made my vows they were before God and all men...I will be by her side for better or worse, till death do we part....

I pray she opens her heart to Christ.....I pray I can help her along that path....Maybe that's why God led me to her?.....
145 posted on 11/08/2005 11:17:03 AM PST by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: HamiltonJay
As to habitual adultery, while I wholey condemn it, does not make an argument that divorce is the better path when children are involved.

Do you think children benefit from seeing their parent flaunt their affairs around them? Or in a situation where one child is clearly not the biological child of the father, but the product of an affair?

Under your scenario, a wife could have a child, have an affair, have a child by another man, and you would expect the husband to suck it up, ignore the affair and raise a child not his own, then once the children are grown get divorced and be subject to alimony (18 years= long term marriage)? He likely would not be able to use the adultery as a fault ground since he stayed in the marriage for all those years. I don't think that is reasonable, and that's why even in the old days adultery was a ground for divorce.

146 posted on 11/08/2005 11:18:05 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: timsbella

"Another sage item she adds is don't marry in your early 20s"

Wrong, don't marry with blinders on in your early 20s... if you intent is to raise a family, early 20s is precisely when you should be getting married. Female fertility peaks at about age 24.

34 here, married 10 years this month.

I agree most young 20s are far to self absorbed and spoiled to remotely be ready for marriage, and that speaks to how poorly we as a society raise our children if you asked me.


147 posted on 11/08/2005 11:18:16 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Female fertility peaks at about age 24.

Who told you that? I thought it was 36? Maybe thats the peak of the female sex drive...I dunno.

148 posted on 11/08/2005 11:23:24 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (The 2005 Chicago White Sox---World Series Champs---WOO! HOO!)
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To: no dems
In the Bible, the dad or his servant brought the prospective wife home, he took her into the tent and consummated the marriage. Done deal.

But she still tossed the bouquet before entering the tent, and that made it official.

149 posted on 11/08/2005 11:25:48 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: discostu
My mother-in-law was willing to stay in her marriage for her children. Even though their dad had done some bad things to break up the marriage. Instead they divorced. It was difficult to make a living and there were lean times after the divorce, but I know my husband and his siblings are grateful for all their mother did for them. They learned on their own what kind of guy their dad was on their own. Their mother never bad mouthed him. She would just say, "He's still your father."
I just think divorce shouldn't happen just because someone is "bored" or "not feeling excited about marriage" anymore.
150 posted on 11/08/2005 11:28:29 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Albion Wilde
Nope, I'm an ordinary human sinner like everybody else. But God is perfect and he expects us to look at his will for our lives, not our judgment.

ok, thats a good guide, cant disagree with that. And Scripture can not certainly be dismissed.

These (I have stated in this thread what I think should be done) are "gray" areas...at least they are to me. I believe the Holy Spirit (as long as a person is prayerful and in the correct heart) will tell someone what is right to do. Whether its a sin or not will be determined/judged at that point.

Rom 14:22
The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

151 posted on 11/08/2005 11:32:22 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: goodnesswins
What I DO NOT UNDERSTAND....is getting divorced, and then saying...."but, we're still friends." If you're friends, STAY MARRIED. (I got divorced, and HE was NOT ever MY friend.)
This is something that bothers me too. Especially the people who say there was nothing wrong with the marriage they got bored. So, these people wind up looking for "Mr. or Miss Perfect " and keep getting bored. It's better to stay married to your best friend and work on rekindling the flame. Every marriage goes through it's slumps or boring spots. It's up to the couple to bring it out of that slump.
152 posted on 11/08/2005 11:33:01 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: HungarianGypsy

You are correct, they should not divorce HOWEVER now they are treading on dangerous waters becaause this is when you are susceptible to *Affairs* my sister-in law is a MFCC Marriage and Family Counselor and she says Married People Both sexes Men and Women are cheating although they DO NOT think it's the traditional cheating in essence TECHNOLOGY has helped fuel bored marraiges because you can carry on with someone who is married on the Internet, Cell phones, text messaging without ever having to hide an in person affair, heck 2 people married on FRee Republic could carry on with each other through FReepmail!

You have to learn to have a marriage that does not allow you to get sucked into these situations...


153 posted on 11/08/2005 11:40:10 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: HamiltonJay

Congratulations - and I wish you many more decades of happiness. I sincerely do.

I don't think it's necessarily a selfishness issue in your twenties, but it seems to me people mature a lot more slowly these days. By twenty I'd worked two or three jobs to put myself through university and I was pretty much the person I am today. Not so true for my first spouse who changed substantially in 12 years.

I met my first husband at 17, married at 21, children at age 27 - and seeking family, religious and counseling support thereafter. A bicycle won't move if one of the wheels is broken and refuses to be replaced. Both parties must want it to work.

Five years into my second marriage (we dated almost two years) it's been bliss. People compliment us on how well behaved and kind our children are. They are not spoilt and do very well academically. Our kids see how a happy loving couple should be. We joke that we'll be close to a hundred when we have our golden anniversary. And we're looking forward to it.

While every marriage should last forever, and they should not be entered into lightly, sometimes they don't. I became physically very ill before it dawned on me that I was alone in my marriage. You can't merely "will" the situation to improve. You can't throw out a blanket of blame and shame on those that follow this path. From hard fought experience, I can say it is not the easy way out.


154 posted on 11/08/2005 11:46:39 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7
My first piece of advice to my sons will be: DON'T GET MARRIED. Period.

One of the best pieces of advice my parents gave me.

155 posted on 11/08/2005 11:48:18 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

Trust me, fertility peaks at 24.


156 posted on 11/08/2005 11:48:54 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

How would you know? you are 34 male and married.


157 posted on 11/08/2005 11:50:24 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: HamiltonJay

"Trust me, fertility peaks at 24."

Sorry to be so contrary with you....however, my sister met Mr Right when she was 33. Between 35 - 40 she gave birth four times.

PS She was born with one fallopian tube.


159 posted on 11/08/2005 11:52:48 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: timsbella

Go do some research, I have not said you can't get pregnant after 24, just telling you female fertility PEAKS at 24... I know that the feminists don't want women to know that, but it is a biological fact.


160 posted on 11/08/2005 12:11:10 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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