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Paris police fear rioters' heavy arms (French fear muslim guns and grenades)
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | November 7, 2005 | Jennifer Joan Lee

Posted on 11/07/2005 9:53:59 AM PST by indcons

PARIS -- Police officers, exhausted and dispirited after 11 nights of street battles, say their mainly young African and Arab adversaries have access to sophisticated weapons including grenades and could soon begin using them. A dozen officers were injured, two of them seriously, after being shot with hunting rifles fitted with lead pellets during rioting last night in the suburb of Grigny, south of Paris, police said. Jean-Christophe Carne, president of a police trade union, told The Washington Times before last night's outbreak that police officers were increasingly pessimistic that civic order would be restored anytime soon. "Most of these kids are being coached by professional petty criminals and gang leaders in the suburbs," said Mr. Carne, president of Action Police CFTC. "In the past, when we have cracked down on these criminals in their homes, we found drugs, grenades and heavy weapons such as guns. While they haven't started using these arms yet, there's also no reason to think they wouldn't."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; frenchmuslims; insurgency; mooligans; muslims; parisriots; rop; surrendermonkeys; terrorists; uprising
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To: The_Reader_David

Their governments have manufacturing facilities. Among other thinkgs, they can't get their precious oil out of the ground without technology.

It seems whatever governments they have want to be modern, but terrorists don't. What do they want, opium, heroin, fire and blood? No one can live on that.


142 posted on 11/07/2005 11:34:54 AM PST by Lady Jag (Semper Paratus! (always prepared))
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To: indcons

Could they be clever enough to know they won't get shot unless they're seen killing someone?


143 posted on 11/07/2005 11:36:55 AM PST by Lady Jag (Semper Paratus! (always prepared))
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To: indcons
this does it, send in the tanks for urban warfare.
144 posted on 11/07/2005 11:44:24 AM PST by dutch52
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To: keats5

I'd like to point out that this constitution is a "living document."

... or does that no tfly here???

:)


145 posted on 11/07/2005 12:00:35 PM PST by libertarianPA
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To: indcons
Their "rage" is supposedly motivated by their abject poverty, and yet they were somehow able to scrape together some cash for a bit of hardware.
146 posted on 11/07/2005 12:04:22 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I am guessing we found Osama.


147 posted on 11/07/2005 12:22:05 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Lady Jag

Yes, but their goverment officials all are chauffeured in Mercedeses or Lexuses, and their people drive Opals or Ford Fiestas. (And an awful lot of the technology for getting oil out of the ground is bought from Western oil companies and companies with oil-field serve arms like Haliburton :-) .)


148 posted on 11/07/2005 1:08:27 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: everyone

Hello, Everyone, Big Bad Bob here, from the Garden Of England. I think it's time that you all get the view from my side of the Pond.

I think first things first, we have to say that this has been threatening to come for some considerable time, what people have to understand is that although in the mainstream media for the last decade, it has been depicted that France is the most multicultralist country in Europe (which is absurd!), there has been an severe undercurrant of resentment from those in the Inner Cities and suburbs of Paris, Marseille and Lille that prosperity and employment has not arrived there as well as in the more, dare I say bourgeousis areas of the country. Remember this resentment has come up before. The Paris Metro bombings in the early 90s showed that Race Relations in France were not what the outside world was left to believe.

It has to be said though that the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the continuing threats to both Syria and Iran are also beginning to take its toll on Muslims. The attacks on both London and Madrid as well as the assasination of controversial film producer Theo Van Gogh in Amsterdam last year shows that the War on Terror is, as much as I'd hate to say it, is now in our cities, and in some cases are the battleground, as we have seen in France this past week.

What is my thoughts on where we go from here. I don't like the future and the way things are going. Some commentators are saying that the riots across France are in an way an intifada. I like to disagree, but I can't. This has been waiting to happen, and like most things only need a spark to let off the entire factory. With reports coming in of smaller scale disturbances in Berlin and Brussels, this could be the start of something that none of us want to see.

It will be interesting to see how the indigenous populations of certain countries react when they see the cities burning.


149 posted on 11/07/2005 1:17:17 PM PST by Big Bad Bob (In Times Of Thought, Let Us Never Forget.)
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To: Lee N. Field

You'll put your eye out!


150 posted on 11/07/2005 1:25:55 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: indcons
Germany, Spain, Holland, Italy and of course England have large Muslim populations. Will the terrorist jihadists moles lurking in E.U. states attempt to incite those Islamic population to riot as well?

Has a Muslim uprising in Europe started, with France as the first targeted Western nation?

I bet Iran's mullahs, Arabia's Wahhabists and the rest of the Mohammedan fanatics are loving this.

151 posted on 11/07/2005 1:31:39 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: elmer fudd
Afterall, no kid could figure out how to pour gas in a bottle and stuff a rag in the top.

In France they are much more sophistated, in lieu of the rag they use la tampon.

152 posted on 11/07/2005 1:32:24 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Yes, but their goverment officials all are chauffeured in Mercedeses or Lexuses . . .

Their governors accept western technology in order to swell their riches. Does that put the terrorists against their own governments as well as us, then?

153 posted on 11/07/2005 1:33:24 PM PST by Lady Jag (Semper Paratus! (always prepared))
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To: indcons

There have been some firearms incidents, several police have been hit. So far mostly shotguns. This could get out of hand, and the French people won't wait for the police to deal with it.


154 posted on 11/07/2005 1:33:48 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: dutch52
Link for French gun laws: http://www.info-france-usa.org/intheus/customs/6000.asp

. . . from the French embassy - so, probably accurate.

Another study states that 22% of French homes had guns in them - in 1998.

Most likely, since bird hunting is common there, I imagine so is bird shot. But, anyone possessing a shotgun and a basic press ought to be able to load a shell with anything they like, including buckshot, broken glass, special holy Allah pieces of the rock that kill infidels on contact, whatever.

If shooting cops with ANYTHING during a riot isn't enough to wake up these self-righteous socialists, nothing is. That doesn't mean they should arrest or beat up everyone in sight as the alternative - but, if they shoot at you . . .

Of course, the French cops are too used to ganging up on you and knocking you down. When they lack surprise, numbers or are facing armed opponents - I suppose one has to draw on that reserve of guts. Is there a French word for that outside of something you eat?
155 posted on 11/07/2005 1:36:22 PM PST by Benkei (The truth)
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To: brazzaville
A modern pre-charged air rifle, which I believe are legal in France, can shoot it's projectile at more than a thousand feet per second.

I'd be surprised if they had any of them. Modern pre-charged guns are quite pricey, probably quite beyond the means of a (likely unemployed) immigrant kid on the dole.

156 posted on 11/07/2005 2:05:19 PM PST by Lee N. Field
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To: Lady Jag

"300 cities! That sounds out of control."
It is...extends to Belgium, Germany...islamists are terming this the "Ramadan Offensive" we've heard of...

"Odd there haven't been any deaths."

Actually, there was one, and will be more. A 60 year old man was beaten to death by the rampaging muslim mob. His offense? Trying to put out a fire in the trash can that the mob set next to his apartment. Also, don't forget the disabled woman tourist who was doused with petrol and set on fire...also the 13 month old child injured...remember, this incident is being DOWNPLAYED by the press. Unfortunately, we'll eventually hear of more horror.

Back to your original query...

"What other animal craps where it sleeps?"

I hadn't thought of this before, but there is one....

a pig.




157 posted on 11/07/2005 2:20:40 PM PST by milford421
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To: milford421
"What other animal craps where it sleeps?" I hadn't thought of this before, but there is one.... a pig.

Ironic, isn't it, that they don't eat pigs?   Maybe they know it would be cannibalism...

158 posted on 11/07/2005 2:52:15 PM PST by Lady Jag (Semper Paratus! (always prepared))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; Fruitbat

As a matter of fact, it is legal for Frenchmen to own guns for hunting--and in rural areas, many of them do. Not much help in cities, though.


159 posted on 11/07/2005 2:58:59 PM PST by born in the Bronx
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To: indcons
Hey France, how about a little "Land for Peace" deal with the muslim mobs? You know the same garbage you have insisted Israel to do with their muslim invaders.

If its good for them, its good for you too frogs! Maybe they will even let you keep Paris! LOL!

160 posted on 11/07/2005 3:02:46 PM PST by Walkin Man
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