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French society at a crossroads
BBC Online ^ | 11/7/2005 | Hugh Schofield

Posted on 11/06/2005 7:31:36 PM PST by 1066AD

French society at a crossroads By Hugh Schofield Paris

The next couple of days are going to be crucial. It was to be predicted that the violence in the French suburbs would continue throughout the weekend.

Friday and Saturday nights are always the most incendiary, and unfortunately for the government, the weather has remained fine and clear - no disincentive there for the rioters.

If there is a downturn in the number of acts of violence on Sunday night, which continues into Monday, then it could be cautiously hoped that the worst is over. But if there isn't, if the number of car-burnings remains in the high hundreds over the next two or three nights, then France will have entered a new and dangerous phase.

No longer will it be possible to argue that the violence is the extended fallout from the 27 October incident - the accidental electrocution of two youths in Clichy-sous-Bois.

'Intifada'

Once the two-week mark approaches, the events will start resembling the large-scale suburban uprising that doom-mongers have predicted for years.

Words like "intifada" will start being bandied around, and the stakes will suddenly be much higher.

There are two solid reasons for pessimism. The first is the way the rioters have seized on Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy as their elemental hate-figure.

To hear the words of the protesters, and indeed much of the reporting of the violence, one can sometimes get the impression that Mr Sarkozy actually created the unrest.

In fact his rhetoric, while undoubtedly uncompromising and hardline, has been wilfully misinterpreted, and not just by the rioters.

To describe the bands of youths rampaging through the suburbs as "yobs" or "rabble" - which he did - is not quite the same as describing all inhabitants of the suburbs as "scum", which is how it has sometimes come across in the media.

Nonetheless, legitimately or otherwise, the minister is now seen by many inhabitants of the suburbs - as well as the left-wing opposition - as part of the problem.

But if they believe there is the remotest chance of his standing down, then they are mistaken.

After initial doubts, Mr Sarkozy now has the backing of the rest of the government, and the longer the riots go on, the more he appears justified in his firm line. He will remain as the rioters' hate figure for some time yet.

Universal response

The other reason for pessimism is that the rioters can read in much of the reaction to their rampages a legitimisation of what they have done.

The universal press response - both national and international, left and right - has been to point out how the French model of integration has failed, and how the suburbs have become exploding cauldrons.

From every direction come calls for a new assessment, but some calls are stronger than others.

An editorialist in Le Monde, for example compared the riots to May 1968, and expressed the hope that just as the student uprising forced a major - and in the writer's view - positive change to French society, so will these. That is not exactly an encouragement for the violence to cease.

As for reasons for optimism, are there any?

The only answer is that the violence is going to have to stop some time, and maybe it will be sooner rather than later.

Perhaps the most the government can pray for is a cold snap accompanied by freezing sleet. Maybe that will put out the fires.

Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4412968.stm


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; frenchmuslims; parisriots
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To: Peace will be here soon

Oh, yes, and John Kerry still has a family estate in France---have we heard from him? Hmmm?

The man who, had he been elected President of the United States, would have immediately gone to France, sipped wine with Chiraq and solved all the world's problems with daisies instead of bullets?

Hmm?


21 posted on 11/06/2005 8:19:32 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: 1066AD

Good grief. You're right. It is the BBC! The fat lady may soon be singing all over western Europe.


22 posted on 11/06/2005 8:21:57 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Peace will be here soon

Don't be silly. Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, Robert Altman and Babs Streisand are on their way to France as you read this to be sure that "justice is served" and the poor oppressed Muslim "yoots" are not tortured or harmed in any way.


23 posted on 11/06/2005 8:21:58 PM PST by garyhope
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To: Peace will be here soon
.....in their adopted home of France. ...

IIRC Johnny Dep lives in France. To get away from the violence in the US, doncha know.

24 posted on 11/06/2005 8:23:18 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: NickatNite2003

I forgot who you are quoting and when they said it. Please remind me. Thanks.


25 posted on 11/06/2005 8:23:59 PM PST by garyhope
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To: Peace will be here soon

shawn pin-head, susan sorry-ass-done, jeannine falafalo, and much of the rest of modern moviedumb will have to eat camel cheese and drink jihad juice on their knees before they see the light.......


26 posted on 11/06/2005 8:45:19 PM PST by crowman
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To: Mister Da
" According to the BBC, only an act of god will save france. " ...

It won't happen, they are ungodly and they ( at least most of Europe ) don't believe in God.
27 posted on 11/06/2005 8:50:21 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: 1066AD

Send in the Dixie Chicks! It was during a concert in France that Natalie the pig made her famous, "We're ashamed of Bush" remark....


28 posted on 11/06/2005 8:59:00 PM PST by austinaero
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

The problem is that there is officially another paper even more left-leaning than Le Monde - Liberation. Le Monde is just "slightly centre-left".

France is beyond hope when we have such media.


29 posted on 11/06/2005 9:10:35 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: garyhope

Actually it's an amalgam of a dozen or so
quotes made by Hollpukers and other assorted
craven lefties, not only here in america, but
at European film fesivals, award shows and
in Socialist Leftie pissrag "newspapers".

If one wishes, a good source to check
for the exact quotes of these Dimorat
sleezebags, would be at

RightNation.com

Which used to be known as 'HollywoodHalfwits.com'


30 posted on 11/06/2005 9:16:10 PM PST by NickatNite2003
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To: NickatNite2003

A more direct link to the RN forum that
alphabeticlly lists these "celebrities"
to their documented quotes:

http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showforum=18


31 posted on 11/06/2005 9:28:54 PM PST by NickatNite2003
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To: Peace will be here soon
Yep, Barbraaaa just called -- voicing great distress that she very well may have to downgrade to American Merlot in the near future.

It had been reported to her that the french wineries she so dearly loves are in great jeopardy from these Islamic "scum".

Pox Chirac !!
32 posted on 11/06/2005 9:33:13 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: Peace will be here soon
Yep, Barbraaaa just called -- voicing great distress that she very well may have to downgrade to American Merlot in the near future.

It had been reported to her that the french wineries she so dearly loves are in great jeopardy from these Islamic "scum".

Pox Chirac !!
33 posted on 11/06/2005 9:33:15 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: NickatNite2003

Check out the RN listings for:

Jessica Lange
Edward Norton &
Gwynneth Paltrow

for starters..


34 posted on 11/06/2005 10:29:55 PM PST by NickatNite2003
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To: austinaero

Haven't heard too much from those girls lately have we?
Like to see yearly comparasons of their record sales .
Good to see the chart like a lemming jumping off a cliff.


35 posted on 11/07/2005 3:09:33 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

Us Brits however will not survive if we do not return to the source of strength and inspiration which made Britian one of the greatest nations in the world, Jesus Christ.

Britain is under seige by the zealous secular humanists who are attacking Christianity but only succeeding in withering and destroying the moral undergirdings and fiber of the British nation.

I am a loyal American, but I grew up in Britain and mys sister is now British (she lives near Norwich).

I do not believe the Brits will fold under overt attack, but they are caving by overt subterfuge. In 5 years more Brits will attend a mosque than attend a church.

frightening. Islam brings hell on earth and after...

Civil war may yet be mandatory if Western civilization is to survive and prosper at all....

it is that serious!


36 posted on 11/07/2005 1:17:17 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: lightman
The France of the Marquis de Lafayette does not exist. France is as dead as the enlightened visionaries. The perennial white flag of French surrender will be the French burial shroud....unless some spark of the old France ignites and rises like the mythical Phoenix of lore.
37 posted on 11/07/2005 8:21:52 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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