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French rioters open fire on police, 10 hurt
Reuters Alert Net ^ | November 6, 2005

Posted on 11/06/2005 4:13:26 PM PST by HAL9000

GRIGNY, France, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Rioters fired shots at police in an 11th night of riots in France on Sunday, injuring 10 policemen, two of them seriously, police said.

Some 200 youths were lobbing stones and other objects at police in Grigny, south of Paris, a police spokesman said, adding that some of the rioters had fired at officers with shotguns, hitting 10 policemen.

Two officers were being treated in hospital, one with lead shot wounds to the throat, the other with wounds to a leg.

Asked whether the rioters could have killed someone, the spokesman said: "Probably not at this distance, but they could have caused bad injuries, or turn one of the officers blind."

The fresh violence came just hours after President Jacques Chirac vowed to restore order, making his first public comments since the riots started in Paris's poor suburbs on Oct. 27.

"The Republic is quite determined, by definition, to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear," Chirac said after a domestic security council met to respond to the violence in which thousands of cars have gone up in flames.

"The law must have the last word," Chirac said.

Rioting began with the accidental electrocution of two youths apparently fleeing police. Their deaths ignited frustration among ethnic minorities over racism, unemployment, police treatment and their marginal place in French society.

The riots have spread from Paris's bleak suburbs to other French cities. Towns such as Toulouse, Nantes and Strasbourg were hit by violence on Sunday.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chirac; dangtheygotguns; france; frenchmuslims; grigny; insurgency; leo; parisriots; riot; rioters; riots; uprising
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To: XEHRpa

It is funny, isn't it? That the socialist mind naturally believes in the way things are defined by theory, rather than the way they actually are in reality.


61 posted on 11/06/2005 4:58:04 PM PST by samtheman
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To: F-117A

Time for the sniper teams to take out anyone


62 posted on 11/06/2005 4:59:16 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: HAL9000

Another article, Islam not mentioned.

Are the Christian and Atheist teens rioting too?


63 posted on 11/06/2005 5:00:04 PM PST by Uncle Miltie ("Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. " - Mohammed)
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To: samtheman
"The Republic is quite determined, by definition, to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear," Chirac said"

The fear factor may explain why they burned down another school today.

...to make the children afraid? I'm still not sure of the significance of burning so many schools.

64 posted on 11/06/2005 5:01:06 PM PST by Earthdweller (Earth to liberals..we were not in Iraq on 9/11..so how did the war cause terrorism again?)
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To: Nextrush
A group called "SOS Racism"(that's my best English translation) is saying that the French media is sensationizing the violence. I saw this on French TV news site LCI. Also, it appears 29 police were injured today at Gringy, south of Paris, the way I translate it.
Thanks for the update.

SOS Racism. Maybe that means, "Save Our Socialist Racism".

That would certainly apply to the leftist racism of the Democratic Party here in the US. In the US, the Democrats believe that African Americans and Hispanics are only permitted to have "proper political ideas" and that those who don't have the "proper ideas" are not fit to be members of their race.

But I don't know how things are in France. Maybe Socialist Racism has a somewhat different meaning in France.

65 posted on 11/06/2005 5:01:48 PM PST by samtheman
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To: spanalot
They are burning lots of infrastructure but it is fascinating that they are deliberately avoiding murder

Give them time. The AK's are on their way but won't arrive till next weekend.

66 posted on 11/06/2005 5:01:50 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I wonder what the average french citizen {non muslim} is thinking about this entire situation? Are they so inclined to surrender that they are frustrated that there is no nation to surrender to? Is the compulsive need to surrender an inbred trait?


67 posted on 11/06/2005 5:01:53 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: brushcop

Well let's see now.. how many french governments have fallen due to just such anacrchy as is being witnessed? I think close to a dozen since the adoption of the American Constitution.


68 posted on 11/06/2005 5:03:36 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: HAL9000

So, do the French have an RKBA?


69 posted on 11/06/2005 5:06:56 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: asp1
In earlier threads on this topic, a poster named Vicomte13 stated that the rules of rioting in France are that no one gets killed. If someone gets killed, then all bets are off.

With buckshot, the rioters are still playing within the rules. However, it is an escalation, IMHO.

Paging Vicomte13? Any comments?
70 posted on 11/06/2005 5:10:42 PM PST by oceanagirl
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To: samtheman

Absolutely. Communism was a construct that might have sounded great "in theory," except for the fact that it did not take into account human nature.

Then again, maybe it did take it into account, because I have no doubt that the proponents of it always envisioned themselves as the elites who would call the shots on behalf of the downtrodden masses. Condescending patronism, kind of like the way Ted Kennedy has governed his whole Senatorial career.


71 posted on 11/06/2005 5:11:28 PM PST by XEHRpa
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To: HAL9000

Wonder what the response would be, both by world press and French authorities, if instead of black moooslims they were skinheads.


72 posted on 11/06/2005 5:11:40 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: Braak
I do also wonder the makeup of the Armed Forces in France, how much of it worships Mecca?

15 percent. For more information check out French Question Loyalty of Moslem Troops.

73 posted on 11/06/2005 5:12:12 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: HAL9000

Close enough to be injured by birdshot...

Close enough to see the shooter, and take 'em out.

Oh, yes, that's the mentality of an American, not a wussified frog.


74 posted on 11/06/2005 5:14:26 PM PST by msf92497 (The most dangerous place to be is in a "mothers" womb.)
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To: XEHRpa

Ted Kennedy must feel cheated by history. If only he could have had the power of Stalin. Ah, now there would have been a great Socialist Paradise.


75 posted on 11/06/2005 5:16:27 PM PST by samtheman
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To: USS Alaska
"Is the compulsive need to surrender an inbred trait?"

I doubt that it is a trait, more likely the result of bad policies and leadership over a long period of time.

76 posted on 11/06/2005 5:19:23 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Earthdweller
Maybe the "youths" don't want to go to school, so they are burning down their schools? I mean, that's not completely nonsensical.

As to why there hasn't been mass killings, that's probably because fires get more media coverage, or they don't like killing people, but choosing rather to destroy their lives. Also, killing people is much more serious than torching 50 cars. But you wonder, if they had killed 3,300 people, instead of cars, would the French have responded any differently? The French response has been just plain comical.

And it's very strange - I haven't seen a single report of car casualities tonight. At this time yesterday, it was already up to a reported 607...

77 posted on 11/06/2005 5:19:27 PM PST by JWojack (Karen Williams or Diane Sykes or Janice Rogers Brown for the Supreme Court!)
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To: Braak
How much worse has this got to get?

"Thus it happens in affairs of state, for when the evils that arise have been foreseen (which it is only given to a wise man to see), they can be quickly redressed, but when, through not having been foreseen, they have been permitted to grow in a way that every one can see them. there is no longer a remedy."

- Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapter III, Concerning Mixed Principalities

78 posted on 11/06/2005 5:22:01 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Methinks pellet guns were used

This looks to me like the shells for my 410!

79 posted on 11/06/2005 5:24:09 PM PST by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: JWojack
As to why there hasn't been mass killings, that's probably because fires get more media coverage, or they don't like killing people, but choosing rather to destroy their lives. Also, killing people is much more serious than torching 50 cars.

My internet reading indicates that torching cars is a matter of habit and custom among these people, being particularly indulged at New Years Eve. Of course, this was given as an argument why the present actions were not to be taken seriously!

80 posted on 11/06/2005 5:28:50 PM PST by dr_lew
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