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France rioters: \'Each night we make this place Baghdad\'
Monsters and Critics.com ^ | Nov 5, 2005, 19:00 GMT | Hans-Hermann Nikolei

Posted on 11/05/2005 4:47:47 PM PST by DogBarkTree

Paris - \'We burned 15 cars. How many do you have?\' A grim contest is under way in France as kids from disadvantaged suburbs vie with each other to see who can riot the hardest.

On Internet websites, young arsonists brag about their successes. Rioting, it seems, has become a trend sport, as youths in immigrant areas of provincial cities begin to rally to the call from Paris.

While political slogans hold no sway among these youngsters, hatred for Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy is palpable. \'Now we\'re the ones chasing you with the Karcher (high-pressure hoses),\' they say, referring to Sarkozy\'s pledge to clean the suburbs of \'scum\'.

What began as pitched battles has transformed into a nightly game of cat-and-mouse with the police.

Two or three people set out armed with mobile phones, crowbars and incendiary material. A quick hit with the crowbar on the windscreen of a police van, a Molotov cocktail inside - and they\'re off back into the sprawling housing estates.

The rioters have also started using motorbikes and mobile phones to trace the movements of police riot squads, in tactics reminiscent of urban guerrilla movements.

\'Each night we turn this place into Baghdad\', says one masked youth in Sevran near Paris. As a political statement, there have been better - but these riots seem to be more aimed at the television cameras than the National Assembly.

\'It would be better to go into Paris than break up everything here,\' his friend says, appearing to consider that the victims of the rioting are predominantly their own neighbours and friends.

\'Why did they set my car on fire, why mine?\' asks one young man as he watches it go up in flames. He knows the perpetrators, he says. They\'re neighbours of his, but he refuses to name them.

\'These are our kids,\' says Mohammed Rezzoug, vice president of Blanc-Mesnil football club.

Every night, Rezzoug is out on the streets talking to local youths in a bid to prevent his own sports hall going up in smoke. \'They answer me: \'Momo, we\'ll fuck them all\',\' he says.

Lurking behind the lines of burning cars is the knowledge that these riots could soon become a matter of life and death.

On Wednesday night, a disabled woman in Sevran barely escaped death in a burning bus.

Youths barricaded the road with burning tyres and threw fuel into the bus. All the other passengers fled, but the 56-year-old, unable to move, was sprayed with petrol and then a burning rag was thrown inside.

The woman survived the attack with second and third-degree burns on one-fifth of her body, after the bus driver managed to pull her to safety.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; frenchmuslims; mooligans; parisriots; sarkozy; sevran
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To: Clemenza

Yeah. WWI was a real tragedy. It set up WWII...the culture of appeasement...the feeling that there was nothing that was worth fighting for. They were so weary that Hitler and his gang were able to do their work with nearly no obstruction.

I don't know what the male population of France was in WWII, but I do know that it was a huge percentage of them that died. I read something that WWI averaged 230 men killed per hour for the entire duration of the war.

And the Poilu were tough, brave soldiers, amongt the best if not the best, sent to their deaths by incompetent, corrupt generals. Completely destroyed.

I can sympathize with the tragedy, but one would think WWII would make them realize there are things worth fighting for. But no, they lost their hearts.


121 posted on 11/05/2005 7:12:03 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Shortstop7
Yes, they do have Paris webcams. I googled it and there are some. They list the locations you can look at. I have never been to Paris so I don't know much about the locations. I myself am unable to watch the webcams listed under google. I typed in " Paris webcam webcams ". The site asks me to download something called ActiveX which I don't want to do. Just F.Y.I.

Frankly, all this is an eye opener for me. I never knew Paris, lovely high falootin' hoity toity Paris, had slums or ghettos or whatever the proper French word is for these areas.
122 posted on 11/05/2005 7:12:32 PM PST by A knight without armor
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

That's what has my attention. I have no interest in wearing a burka in my dotage!


123 posted on 11/05/2005 7:57:04 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: DogBarkTree

Funny, isn't it?

The French didn't want to go to Bagdahd...

So the muslims are bringing Baghahd to Paris.

Quite appropos.

Mark


124 posted on 11/05/2005 7:58:25 PM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: MarkL

Maybe the French are more patient with their government than we are. Four days to rescue Katrina survivors seemed like an endless, unsatisfactory delay to Americans, but Europeans ae acting as if this is no big deal after TEN DAYS.


125 posted on 11/05/2005 8:10:23 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: 1rudeboy
WHY AN INTIFADA IN FRANCE? [John Derbyshire] [NRO]

An acquaintance of mine -- French, currently resident in North Africa -- sent a long post about the French riots to an email group I belong to. It is a fascinating post, but much too long to paste here. I did think, though, that the following passage would interest NRO readers, so with his permission, I pass it on.

It is from a passage headed: "Why an Intifada in France?" It is among a long list of reasons given as answers to the question.

"The Iraq war: as I had noticed very strongly in Tunisia a little more than 2 years ago, the opposition of France to intervention in Iraq has been perceived as a sign of weakness, and French are since considered as Dhimmis. The change of attitude from Arabs against French has been dramatic: now I know problems of security in Tunisia, and even in the French planes to go and come from there, and in Nice (French Riviera) Airport! This opposition, probably motivated by the money earned in Oil For Terror program and by threats from Saudi Arabia and Iran, has marked the end of France as a Western country (whatever one thinks about the Iraq war per se!)." a

126 posted on 11/05/2005 8:44:24 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
the center of paris?? you gotta be kidding...



Their public transit system is a liberals wet dream.
127 posted on 11/05/2005 8:48:35 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Earthdweller
Good evening.
"I wonder if Chiraq will let us know when the islamofascists get close to the stockpile."

I wonder where Chirac will seek sanctuary if the Islamists get anywhere close to winning.

If we know where the weapons are SAS and Delta will secure or destroy them.

Michael Frazier
128 posted on 11/05/2005 8:49:03 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: DogBarkTree

Allah demands blood sacrifice.

Islamofascist; Radical Islam is an insane death cult, and "moderate" Islam is it's Trojan Horse in the West World.

 

Islam is not a religion; it embodies no concept of spirituality.  

Islam is a political system.  

The 'peace of allah' is the peace of ultimate submission, never having to question, never having to decide, just to do as you are told; the peace of the hive, a queen named allah and her many drone workers.

Islam is a system of coercion. 

Islam IS a terrorist support network


129 posted on 11/05/2005 8:49:14 PM PST by antonia ("Democracy is the worst type of government, excepting all others." ~ Churchill)
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To: OldFriend

No, it's time to start reading the riot act to the little bastards, then shoot those who do not comply, then deport the rest of the horrible lot out of the country. I doubt the Frogs have the stones to do it, though.


130 posted on 11/05/2005 8:50:02 PM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Poundstone

No insurance payment for him. Sound fair?


131 posted on 11/05/2005 8:51:56 PM PST by Grizzled Bear
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To: ml/nj

"Sophisticated women?" In DC? Maybe at the Palm, but I think Par-ee AND DC are overrated in the sophistication department.


132 posted on 11/05/2005 8:52:30 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: DogBarkTree
Sadly, until they shoot a couple hundred of these criminals, it will get worse. By way of historical parallel, think of the Nika rebellion of 532 AD when the Roman emperor Justinian I was nearly driven from power. The revolt started out as a trifling dispute over some individuals held in the imperial jails. It got progressively worse each night as the emperor tried in vain to appease the crowds. He even deposed several of his ministers whom the crowd wanted out.

But did that end the revolt? No, it made it much worse! The crowds burned down large sections of Constantinople and put diadem on the head of a usurper named Hypatius. Justinian was all ready to flee the city when his wife, the empress Theodora questioned his manhood and said she'd rather die as an empress. In response, Justinian called out the few soldiers who were still loyal to him and they plunged headlong into the rebelling crowds. By the time they were finished, 30,000 had been killed.

Had they taken action sooner to suppress the revolt, the death toll would have been much less.

Hey France, learn from history please!
133 posted on 11/05/2005 9:05:24 PM PST by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: soltice
Their words sound like a clear declaration of war on the Danish society. Police must stay out. The area belongs to immigrants.

Well I bet the rioting stops when the power is cut off, the phones in "their" area go dead, and the welfare checks quit appearing....
134 posted on 11/05/2005 9:34:01 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Shortstop7

http://145.238.28.8/view/view.shtml


135 posted on 11/05/2005 9:41:39 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Clemenza

Same here, it USED to be a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Now I'm not even sure it's a nice place to visit.


136 posted on 11/05/2005 10:09:17 PM PST by kalee
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To: ml/nj

Your post about "sophisticated women" makes me feel icky. Elitist franchophone crap. To most Americans, hairy armpits and boorish snobbishness aren't really considered sophisticated.

Perhaps your reference was meant to refer to the fact that France and Washington both are stomping grounds for the likes of that sophisticate we know and love as Valerie Plame.


137 posted on 11/05/2005 10:09:43 PM PST by hoyaloya
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To: ml/nj
Ever hear of Lafayette?

Ever heard of Pershing or Patton? That bill has been paid with interest and our reward was a knife in the back.
138 posted on 11/05/2005 10:51:55 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kristopher
News :
i-tele:
LIVE News
TV5
News - Paris Video Clip
TF1:
News - Entertainment
    
France 2
News - Videos
France 3:
Regional / Local News
France Ô:
France Overseas News
Entertainment :
Canal +
 
Fashion TV
 
Paris Premiere
 
Other :
 
 
http://www.abcparislive.com/paris_tv/
 
The i-tele feed works in WMP>   mms://vipmms.itele.fr/cpi_itele
 
showing fires and burned out cars right now.

139 posted on 11/05/2005 11:04:55 PM PST by wolficatZ (Higgens - "Zeus...Apollo...Patrol!"....)
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To: FreedomSurge

I saw that. Still don't believe it. France banned the burkha (in school) a short while ago. I provide that fact simply as a point of information, but it does deflate the dhimmi argument.


140 posted on 11/06/2005 4:58:47 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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