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Paris-Area Riots Gain Dangerous Momentum (Eighth Night)
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 11-4-2005 | Jamey Keaten

Posted on 11/03/2005 8:14:07 PM PST by blam

Paris-Area Riots Gain Dangerous Momentum

Friday November 4, 2005 3:46 AM

By JAMEY KEATEN

Associated Press Writer

AULNAY-SOUS-BOIS, France (AP) - A week of riots in poor neighborhoods outside Paris gained dangerous new momentum Thursday, with youths shooting at police and firefighters and attacking trains and symbols of the French state.

Facing mounting criticism, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin vowed to restore order as the violence that erupted Oct. 27 spread to at least 20 towns, highlighting the frustration simmering in housing projects that are home to many North African immigrants.

Unrest flared for an eighth straight night Thursday, though scaled down from previous says. Young men fire buckshot at riot police vehicles in Neuilly-sur-Marne, while a group of 30 to 40 harassed police near a synagogue further east in Stains, said the top official of Seine-Saint-Denis, Prefect Jean-Francois Cordet.

A special Interior Ministry operations center monitoring the violence said some 60 vehicles torched in the Seine-Saint-Denis region by early Friday and a total of 165 throughout the Paris metropolitan area. Some 40 vehicles were torched in the Val d'Oise area northwest of Paris.

The sporadic incidents were less intense that the ferocious rioting that erupted eight days ago in Clichy-sous-Bois and spread across the troubled area of housing projects marked by soaring unemployment, delinquency and a sense of despair.

``I will not accept organized gangs making the law in some neighborhoods. I will not accept having crime networks and drug trafficking profiting from disorder,'' Villepin said at the Senate in between emergency meetings called over the riots.

The unrest cast a cloud over the end of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. In Clichy-sous-Bois - heart of the rioting - men filled the Bilal mosque for evening prayers, but streets were subdued with shops shutting early.

``Look around you. How do you think we can celebrate?'' said Abdallah Hammo as he closed the tea house where he works.

Riots erupted in an outburst of anger in Clichy-sous-Bois over the accidental electrocution Oct. 27 of two teenagers who fled a soccer game and hid in a power substation when they saw police enter the area. Youths in the neighborhood suspect that police chased Traore Bouna, 15, and Zyed Benna, 17, to their deaths.

Since then riots have swelled into a broader challenge against the French state and its security forces. The violence has exposed deep discontent in neighborhoods where African and Muslim immigrants and their French-born children are trapped by poverty, unemployment, racial discrimination, crime, poor education and housing.

The Interior Ministry released a preliminary report Thursday exonerating officers of any direct role in the teenagers' deaths. Some 1,300 officers were being deployed in Seine-Saint-Denis, a tough northeastern area that includes the town of Clichy-sous-Bois and has seen the worst violence.

The report said police went to Clichy-sous-Bois to investigate a suspected intrusion on a building site but did not chase the teenagers who were killed. A third teenager who was seriously injured also told investigators he and the other boys were aware of the dangers when they hid in the substation, which was fenced off, the report said.

The report did not address why the youths ran when officers came to the neighborhood, but it said Benna was known to police for having committed robbery with violence and Bouna was among those who had intruded onto the building site.

His father, Amor Benna, told The Associated Press that he and the other teenagers' families have filed a legal complaint to try to determine whether ``a mistake was made by security forces. We want to know the circumstances that led to his death.''

Official assurances that police were not directly responsible for the deaths have not stemmed the unrest, which authorities said spread Wednesday night to at least 20 Paris-region towns. Government offices, a police station, a primary school and a college, a Clichy-sous-Bois fire station and a train station were among the buildings targeted.

Rioters also set fire to a gym near the Les Tilleuls housing complex in the Seine-Saint-Denis region. It burned and smoldered Wednesday night as residents looked on in despair.

``Where is she going to practice now?'' asked Mohammed Fawzi Kaci, an Algerian immigrant whose 8-year-old daughter took gymnastics classes at the facility.

The violence also has cast doubt on the success of France's model of seeking to integrate its immigrant community - its Muslim population, at an estimated 5 million, is Western Europe's largest - by playing down differences between ethnic groups. Rather than feeling embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children often complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs, housing and opportunities.

``It is very tough when you are stuck midway between France and Algeria or Morocco,'' said Sonia Imloul, who works with troubled teens in Seine-Saint-Denis and was born in France of Algerian parents. She added: ``Perhaps we should be told clearly to stop having children, because they have an 80 percent chance of not succeeding.''

On Thursday, rioters fired four shots at police and firefighters but caused no injuries, said Jean-Francois Cordet, the top government official for Seine-Saint-Denis. Nine people were injured in other unrest and 315 cars were torched across the Paris area, officials said.

Traffic was halted Thursday morning on a commuter line linking Paris to Charles de Gaulle airport after stone-throwing rioters attacked two trains. A passenger was slightly injured by broken glass.

Police have made 143 arrests during the unrest, Interior Ministry Nicolas Sarkozy said.

Residents and opposition politicians have accused Sarkozy of fanning tensions with his tough police tactics and talk - including calling troublemakers ``scum.''

``Sarkozy's language has added oil to the fire. He should really weigh his words,'' said Kaci, whose daughter lost her gym. ``I'm proud to live in France, but this France disappoints me.''

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Associated Press writers John Leicester, Scheherezade Faramarzi, Joelle Diderich and Cecile Brisson in Paris contributed to this report.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ahahahahahaha; area; cheeseeating; dangerous; france; gain; islamism; momentum; ouijad; paris; parisriots; riots; surrendermonkeys; whereistheuspress
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To: blam
The French Revolution, Part II
21 posted on 11/03/2005 8:27:31 PM PST by NewMediaFan (Fake but accurate)
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To: neodad
"It's probably a good thing they don't have troops in Iraq. They're going to be needing them soon."

Sounds like you might be right. Eighth day. They keep this up it will be like what we used to have in Philly PA years back with, aaaaheeeemmmm PC minorities. Maybe they can make a bigger mess then they had in the LA riots. Socialist liberals seem to breed this final state of despair amoung various type peoples.

22 posted on 11/03/2005 8:27:40 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: DCPatriot

If you go back through history, you'll find that France is actually an ancient "Arab/Muslim Homeland". They are just claiming their "Right of Return".


23 posted on 11/03/2005 8:28:34 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Remaining neutral about the war on terror really protected them, didn't it? Killing them is the only way to stop this. I don't recall anything this bad happening on US soil. So much for their criticism of the US and it's policies. The thing I like about the US is that if the police were this ineffective here, the citizens would take matters into their own hands and cries of vigilanteism be .....


24 posted on 11/03/2005 8:28:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blam

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin

Wasn't he the French minister who, several months ago, was advocating giving nuclear technology (as in weapons) to the Palestinians?


25 posted on 11/03/2005 8:30:08 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Republic of Texas

Omigod, here we go!! ;^)


26 posted on 11/03/2005 8:30:08 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Republic of Texas

Aye and it's long past time to right the historical indignity perpetrated by the infidel colonizer Charles Martel.


27 posted on 11/03/2005 8:30:31 PM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: blam

``Perhaps we should be told clearly to stop having children"?



Well, since YOU mentioned it!
Where is the concept that making babies should be linked to the realities of raising them?


28 posted on 11/03/2005 8:30:44 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: blam

Is anyone else struck by the fact that most of this report is old "news" and media spin recycled from the past 8 days of riots, and only the smallest part has to do with what happened tonight. Even that part reads like a government press release.
Are there actual reporters on the scene, or are they holding down barstools in the deuxieme arrondissement, while the suburbs burn?
If there were a decent blog on this, we might learn something about what is happening.


29 posted on 11/03/2005 8:31:52 PM PST by Cplus (As usual, facts are the smallest part of media drivel)
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To: txzman

Maybe they need midnight basketball.

[That was x42's proposed solution for violence, IIRC.]


30 posted on 11/03/2005 8:32:08 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: blam
Police have made 143 arrests during the unrest, Interior Ministry Nicolas Sarkozy said.

Sheesh. The Madison Wisconsin police arrested over 400 for rioting on Halloween.
31 posted on 11/03/2005 8:32:51 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Republic of Texas

Thanks, Tex.

In reality these French citizens are more representative of an insurgency than what our MSM portrays (lumps together) as insurgents in Iraq.


32 posted on 11/03/2005 8:33:08 PM PST by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970. Forget? Hell.)
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To: blam

Blame it on FEMA!!!!


33 posted on 11/03/2005 8:33:35 PM PST by WildWeasel
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To: Marine_Uncle

"Hopefully the French will now go totally beserk and kill huge numbers of them for the world to see."

One can only hope.


34 posted on 11/03/2005 8:33:48 PM PST by no dems (43 muscles to smile, 17 to frown, two to pull a trigger; I'm lazy and tired of smiling.)
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To: no dems

They can't, and don't have the stones, to kill enough of them.


35 posted on 11/03/2005 8:34:42 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: blam

The French have already lost.

If they didn't quell this by the 2nd night then they have encouraged it


36 posted on 11/03/2005 8:34:49 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from earth. Liberals are from Uranus.)
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To: Kozak

I like your tagline.


37 posted on 11/03/2005 8:35:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
"Killing them is the only way to stop this. I don't recall anything this bad happening on US soil. So much for their criticism of the US and it's policies"

Perhaps they don't dare try because of 9/11, the Cole, Ambassey bombings, the Lebanone Marine barracks etc.. Besides most muslims in this country are probably just gratefull they are here far away from the maddness. Why rock the boat.

38 posted on 11/03/2005 8:35:20 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: ncountylee

If the French had a pair they would round them up and ship them out.

However these are the French we are talking about so they will try to bribe the insurgents. And when that fails they will surender and become the Islomic Republic of France.


39 posted on 11/03/2005 8:35:53 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: mrexitement

>> "Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin vowed to..."
>That is just not going to convince anyone.

I hear, he's standing in front of a full-length mirror with a large, silly military hat on, practicing inserting his right hand into the seam of the shirt, along the button-line, just above the torso, muttering things incoherently under his breath.

But it's just a rumor.


40 posted on 11/03/2005 8:36:16 PM PST by XEHRpa
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