Posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:52 PM PST by Pyro7480
Tonight, on CSI: Las Vegas, the main plot line involved a single mother whose apparent suicide was staged. The mother was a virgin (determined by the autopsy), and was described as a "prude" by the victim's sister. After a DNA test, it was determined the baby found with the dead woman wasn't biologically-related to the mother. After further investigation, it was found out that the mother had adopted an embryo "left over" from a fertility clinic. A fictional pro-life organization called "Project Sunflower" had found the embryo a mother. As one woman CSI investigator told the details of this organization to the other woman CSI investigator, her boss, the look on her face was one of disgust. When the underling investigator stated that the organization believed it was doing God's work, the lead investigator (whose character is an ex-stripper) said, "I've known strippers who've said the same thing."
The two women CSI investigators went to the headquarters of this pro-life organization. The investigators questioned the organizations director, a blonde, middle-aged white woman with a Southern accent. In the course of the conversation, the lead investigator, in a hostile fashion, brought up the subject of the supposedly previous position of Christianity that Christians, including a Catholic pope apparently, had taught that the soul of an unborn child didn't enter its body until the mother felt the baby moving. This line of questioning did obviously not please the director of the pro-life organization. When the lead investigator asked for records, the director said they were confidential. The investigator countered that they could go get a court order, and the director said to go ahead and get one.
Later in the program, the lead woman investigator's boss, the head of the CSI night shift (and as the first season of the show indicated, a lapsed Catholic), confronted her, saying that the head of the pro-life organization had filed a complaint against the investigator, accusing the investigator of verbal harassment. The investigator explained herself to her boss, saying that in the course of her questioning, her viewpoint had slipped out. When her boss asked of this viewpoint, she flat out said that she was pro-choice and pro-stem cell research. She asked her boss what he would have done. He said that if he would have been in her position, he would have cited Leviticus 17:11, which supposedly indicates that according to the Bible, the soul doesn't enter the body until after conception (The verse says "Because the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you, that you may make atonement with it upon the altar for your souls, and the blood may be for an expiation of the soul." In it is proper context, it's about the Temple sacrifice.)
Very disappointed when I saw this......basically ridiculed those who believe life begins at conception....it really was disgusting....
Same here, though this past Wednesday's plot, showing the b**chy teenager dating the older man, grated on me.
We need a conservative CSI - where they investigate the crime scene of an abortion!!
Good point, dead; a very good point.
Personally, my objection to abortion is based strictly on biological facts and my respect for inherent human rights. Biblical passages have no bearing whatsoever on my position.
Not strictly Biblical per se, however, presumably those inherent human rights were endowed by a Creator, no?
I saw it. The original CSI is my favorite show, but the clones stink. The funny part about this little dispute is that the "CSI" who got into it with the pro-lifer is, in the show, an ex-stripper. I'd say her moral judgements don't carray a lot of weight.
Do you watch Crossing Jordan? The rerun on A&E was very interesting last night. I think it was one of the best shows.
I agree, Ms Helgenberger was way too hateful for it to be just a line. I also turned it off after she was verbally attacking the woman as to when life begins. We will not be watching CSI after this.
I got that impression too.
You watch TV?
;)
No, Ari had it wrong: the presence of life means veg and animal level, humans are a differed category ... the soul is an expression of a different dimensional level, the variables of which are will, emotion and mind (intellect).
as science has progressed, it is more evident (without reverting to Biblical teaching, though such would lead to the same conclusions faster) that at least one human lifetime begins at conception ... if more than one develops, would that make it right to kill the earliest manifestation? God forbid, but (killing because of ambiguity) such is the nature of liberal thinking!
Mind and intellect are not necessarily the same.
In my paradigm, there is will (most basic variable of the dimension of life force), then emotion, then mind (the variable expression which allows contemplation and evaluation. Intellect (as in human intellect) is much more than mere contemplation due to the additional presence of the spirit and thus a tap into 'right and wrong'. My cats contemplate --when they do something which makes me angry (and they seek to avoid wrath), but they avoid me because of fear not an inkling of right and wrong.
Not much on cat contemplatives.
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