France is Burning (Muslims burn Paris; MSM ignores it to protect Religion of Peace)

Strategy Page ^ | 11/1/05

[pabianice]

POTENTIAL HOT SPOTS: France Is Burning

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November 1, 2005: France is burning. For most of the last week, there have been nasty riots in the Parisian suburb of St Denis, complete with fires and many casualties. This area is home to about 500,000 Moslems. Many largely Moslem suburbs of Paris, and other large cities, have become no-go zones for the police, and anyone who is not of Middle Eastern origin. Over the last three decades, generous social benefits and immigration policies have left France with a Moslem population of some five million (about eight percent of the population.) High rise housing for them was built on the outskirts of major cities. Most of these Moslems did not try to assimilate, and by maintaining their old country culture and language, they made it more difficult for their kids to get jobs. Among the old school customs practiced is attacking, and even murdering, girls who do not conform to a "Moslem" style of behavior. While jobs may be lacking, crime and social welfare payments are not. So peop! le can live without jobs, and make a little extra with some crime on the side. But when you have a lot of people participating in, or just condoning, criminal behavior, you have a very dangerous place for outsiders. Officially, the government condemns this sort of "profiling," but a look at crime statistics shows that high rates of robbery, murder and rape tend to coincide with Moslem areas. There are unofficial maps on the Internet, where French citizens can check about where not to get lost the next time they go for a drive.

Meanwhile, the high crime rates in the Moslem neighborhoods has been spilling over into non-Moslem areas, and there has been a major outbreak of anti-Semitic attacks on Jews, and Jewish targets (synagogues, cemeteries, Etc.). It's not only become embarrassing for the government, but it's become a political issue. So the Interior Ministry has established special police units to try and reduce the crime rate in the Moslem areas. That has led to the recent rioting, arson, injuries, and advice by French traditionalists to just ignore the French Moslems. Leave them alone. Ignore them. Just like France has been doing for decades. Let the counter-terrorism police take care of any hotheads. But for the moment, the Interior Ministry is run by law-and-order types, and they are determined to at least own the streets in Moslem areas. So France burns.

[kabar]

The rise in Islamic numbers in France is not occurring in a vacuum, nor down a static trendline.

Correct. If anything, the trend line will reflect an exponential growth of Islamic and other immigrants to France. With declining birth rates below replacement levels, France and the rest of Europe need immigrants to run their economies. An aging population, a generous social welfare system, and declining birth rates are facts of life. As a corollary, Europe must make resource decisions between defense and social welfare payments (guns vs butter.) Their defense expenditures are already declining and will continue to do so.

[Clemenza]

That figure includes folks with one Hispanic parent, as well as assimilated folk, not just the illegals.

Latinos are a more diverse group than you think. Let's also not forget that they are mostly Christian.

[conservonator]

You ask for help, we'll be there. You can count on it. While we like to carp about the lack of support from your government, and rightly so in my opinion, I can't see the US turning it's collective back on France if she truly needed us.

[Clemenza]

Add America to that - right now there is a HUGE migration of whites from New York state to Northern Virginia because New York is rapidly being invaded by Muslims.

Nonsense. There are just as many Muslims on a per capita basis in Northern Virginia as there are in New York. The Muslims in the NY area are settling in places in Brooklyn and urban New Jersey that have been immigrant enclaves of one type or another for sometime.

If anything, it is the East Indian (Hindu) and East Asian population that is "taking over" much of suburbia in the NY area, not the Muslims.

[conservativewasp]

The Indians are not producing 1/3 of our new children, you cannot ignore the demographics.

The French military really is a joke, has been for centuries. The French people will have no stomach for a civil war, they will both lose. Large areas of France will fall to Muslim control, nuclear assets will have to be secured by outside forces. This is the coming war in Europe.
Political correctness of the Western Left prevents stopping it while it can be stopped.

[B4Ranch]

No, it won't happen in 5 or 10 years, but it will happen unless we learn what national sovereignty is.

Have you read the UN Charter?

[Gertie]

ping

[kabar]

I realize that. Estimates on the number of Mexican illegal aliens flucuates widely from 8 to 16 million. They don't fill out census forms. The number of Hispanics could be much larger than the official estimates.

I am comparing the situation in the US to France only in terms of the fact that we have lost control of our borders. Religion is not the issue for us re illegal immigration. The uncontrolled flood of immigrants affects our economy, social and medical services, and culture. We can't assimilate them fast enough.

[justshutupandtakeit]

This has nothing to do with the UN nor sovereignty but with France's colonial history which the US does not share.

[Clemenza]

All very true, which is why we should have been enforcing our laws YESTERDAY!

[Alberta's Child]

France has already reached the point where its own laws are often unenforced in areas of major cities with large Muslim populations. This is a clear indication of: 1) a societal breakdown, and 2) a willingness by the population at large to accept anti-social behavior on the part of a minority group. Those two factors are a clear indication to me that France has some very serious problems that aren't likely to be addressed anytime soon.

The problem will be dealt with long before the numbers reach 24%.

The first step in dealing with this problem is to have the country even recognize that a "problem" exists. I see no sign that this is the case at all -- and I offer the ongoing growth of an unsustainable nanny state in the face of the very high Muslim birth rates as clear, compelling evidence of this.

[kabar]

This has nothing to do with the UN nor sovereignty but with France's colonial history which the US does not share.

Not to the same extent. It is not an accident that we have substantial Filipino and Vietnamese communties.

[Alberta's Child]

The biggest difference between the U.S. and Europe is that we don't have a welfare system that allows those 3-3.5 million Muslims to sit around on their @sses collecting cash payments and government subsidies indefinitely while they spend all their time listening to some jack@ss with a diaper on his head spewing his 11th-century theology to his supporters.

This should have been the real eye-opener for the folks in Great Britain after those subway attacks in July. They weren't carried out by foreigners -- they were carried out by British citizens who had been living in government-paid housing and getting permanent government-paid unemployment benefits.

[CommandoFrank]

As GW put it, Islam is the 'religion of peace'.

Right.

[Uncle Vlad]

It's a Vietnam!

[BurbankKarl]

[Lloyd227]

"When is France going to withdraw?"

Ha!! Nice one!! :-)

Thanks for the smile...

[riri]

The biggest difference between the U.S. and Europe is that we don't have a welfare system that allows those 3-3.5 million Muslims to sit around on their @sses collecting cash payments and government subsidies indefinitely

Exactly. In fact most of our Muslim population tends to do pretty well for themselves. That doesn't stop them from sympathizing with the Mullahs, but rather than do the heavy lifting by blowing themselves up they just send some cash or help clean the money.

[Diddle E. Squat]

The first step in dealing with this problem is to have the country even recognize that a "problem" exists. I see no sign that this is the case at all

I dunno, maybe talk to a Frenchman? Because they certainly are talking about it. May not be a consensus among them, but there is concern and alarm. Regardless of what a handful with an agenda post here on FR.

[kabar]

The first step in dealing with this problem is to have the country even recognize that a "problem" exists. I see no sign that this is the case at all --

Le Penn and the ban on head scarves (along with other religious symbols) are signs that the politicians are starting to get the message. The problem is how to solve it.