[gondramB]

"higamous, hogamous"


What happened to hagamous?

[ncountylee]

LARCs (long-acting reversible contraceptives) were invented by Arabs. For centuries, they have put stones in their camels to stop pregnancies.

[trubluolyguy]

For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are.

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In other words people are no better than animals, and should not try to behave as if they are.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Societies that don't support the family die.

And the West will die of implosion from within and explosion from without the way it's going.

[weegee]

Damn the Sex Positive agenda. It seeks to make everyone sexually active at every age and end ALL moral judgements over who you do what with (regardless of age, sex, relation, marital status, or species of partner).

Leftist mind rot at its WORST.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22sex+positive%22

[arthurus]

Women will not be free until there is an end to Childbearing. Because of the inequalities involved, childbearing is inherently Unconstitutional and should be firmly banned with severe penalties for anyone involved in such crimes.
When babies are wholly eliminated then men must be terminated because they are not equal with Women and cannot be made equal. Then the world will have been purged of inequality and violence. Utopia will be truly, vitally, here.

[Clint N. Suhks]

contraception changed sexual morality.

BS!

There is no "contraception" that doesn't have a failure risk. Taking the chance of bringing an unplanned child in the world, no matter how low the risk, is still immoral no matter what the liberals spew.

[claudiustg]

English will be a second language in England if they follow this line of reasoning.

[CitizenUSA]

"For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are."

Sounds to me like someone who is trying to justify their own immorality. The truth is, a large percentage of relationships are indeed monogamous, and I don't know of very many people who approve of their mates whoring about.

Also Christian moralists do not hope people say no to sex. Sex is perfectly acceptable and even encouraged by God within marriage. Christians only hope people honor God and their fellow human beings by showing restraint, because we believe the wages of sin are death--spiritual if not physical.

However, the author is indeed correct about the effect of contraception on society. Even if the reproductive reasons for monogamy have been largely eliminated through contraception and abortion, the societal, emotional and spiritual reasons for it are still there.

Furthermore, even if mankind somehow finds a way to mitigate all of the earthly penalties for sinful behavior, it doesn't mean God's plan has changed. You know, the Christian God isn't a party pooper. What I mean is, He isn't trying to ruin mankind's fun. In fact, He's telling us the best way to live healthy and happy lives in accordance with His design.

Just take a look at our society and see where the 60's free love generation has taken us! Our very survival as a nation of free people is dependent on our morality. If we cannot restrain ourselves, we will ultimately require a government to do it for us.

[ccmay]

I believe that late marriage is responsible for many ills. People like sex, and want lots of it. That is a gift from God and should not be thought of as evil or immoral per se.

But when society encourages people to put off marriage and childbearing until their 30's or 40's, that powerful natural drive to reproduce becomes a monkey on our backs, leading to all kinds of unhealthy and perverted behavior.

I think that most people should get married in their late teens or early twenties, get the child bearing out of the way, and only then worry about long-term career goals. If you have a kid at 20, he is away at school all day when you are 25, mostly able to look after himself by your early 30's, and completely independent before you are 40.

Vigorous, varied and frequent sex is the natural condition and right of mankind. God's law commands us to confine it to marriage. Therefore, depriving ourselves of the benefits of marriage for long periods of our adult life is contrary to God's intentions for us.

(There is a corollary to this, ladies, and it has to do with week-long headaches and periods that suppposedly last three and a half weeks per month. See a doctor if necessary, but depriving your husband leads to misery for both of you.)

-ccm

[ChuxsterS]

So birth control (and abortion) obviates the only motivation for monogamy?

How about HIV, HPV, HSV, Hepatitis A, B, C, D & E, Chlamydia, Ghonorrhea, Chancroid, Syphilis, Crabs, Scabies, Candida, Giardiasis, Trichomoniasis... not to mention eroded dignity and self-respect.

The article's author is a flipping moron.

[Jeff Chandler]

I hear that Minette Marrin is easy.

[after dark]

All civilized societies not just Christian ones recognize the dangers of lust.

It is true the pill allowed women to have sex without the fear of a life spent in poverty and shame ,but women are now being used and discarded like paper cups.

Men take women for granted and why shouldn't they? The pill offers them a smorgasborg of women.

The pill has taken all the mystery out of sex.

AS for all the unwanted children the pill has spared us, the divorce orphans have more than compensated for those poor souls.

I don't need to look far to see the destruction lust is causing our society. I can see it in the divorced mothers living in poverty who must send their children off to visit daddy and his new family. I also see it in the dowdy women who marry strange men never considering that these men are after their beautiful teenage daughters.

[theFIRMbss]

Turgidson:

Doctor, you mentioned the ration of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?

Strangelove:

Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

DeSadeski:

I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

Strangelove:

Thank you, sir.

Turgidson:

I think we should look at this from the military point of view. I mean, supposing the Russkies stashes away some big bomb, see. When they come out in a hundred years they could take over!

General:

I agree, Mr. President. In fact, they might even try an immediate sneak attack so they could take over our mineshaft space.

Turgidson:

Yeah. I think it would be extremely naive of us, Mr. President, to imagine that these new developments are going to cause any change in Soviet expansionist policy. I mean, we must be... increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow... a mine shaft gap!

Strangelove:

Sir! (stands up out of his wheelchair) I have a plan. Heh. (pauses, realizing that he is standing) Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!

[darkangel82]

Moral absolutes ping

[<1/1,000,000th%]

For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are.

Works OK for intelligent people who'd rather not get life-threatening diseases for a few moments of pleasure.

[little jeremiah]

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Here I am, going quietly about my business, about to step away from my computer, when I get pinged to this article. I only read the excerpt; maybe later when I've digested lunch I could think about trying to read the linked sewage.

There's so much wrong, where to start?

I guess the author thinks that whoredom is the natrual state for every woman, and dogdom the natural state for every man. It depends on what you want. Want to be a whore or a dog? We have the free will to choose that life. Want to be a civlized human being, living according the laws God has given not just in the Bible but in every monotheist religion in the world? Then practice sexual restraint - abstinence before marriage, fidelity within marriage. And be sorry when we fail. Not glory in it.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.

The rewards of living according the the universal moral laws given by God are ever expanding, ever growing, and not just of the body but of the spirit. To live like a dog means one will start looking at life like a dog.

[Constantine XIII]

Well, I did, but then, I am a wierdo. :)

[Skooz]

This article presupposes that modern contraception has eliminated all unwanted pregnancies, as well as all negative effects of promiscuous sex.

That's all we need to know about what utter BS it is.

[aruanan]

Traditional sexuality morality — meaning sexual restraint, particularly for women — was based on that connection between sex and conception: it evolved to protect paternity and patrimony.

What a steaming load.