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Not a path to promiscuity, but to sanity
Times OnLine ^ | October 30, 2005 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 10/30/2005 9:24:21 AM PST by gcruse

Traditional sexuality morality — meaning sexual restraint, particularly for women — was based on that connection between sex and conception: it evolved to protect paternity and patrimony. Now the connection has all but disappeared, as has patrimony, and the less connection, the less restraint and the more empty the morality.

For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antichristian; christianbashing; culturewar; delusional; doasthouwill; hedonism; ifitfeelsgooddoit; itsjustsex; libertines; moralabsolutes; nihilism; religion; religiousintolerance; sex; sexpositiveagenda; sexualizingchildren
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To: IronJack

Exactly. Since we can't be perfect, why try at all?

Whatever happened to "... a man's reach should exceed his grasp"?




We all sin and fall short of the glory....but we try.


41 posted on 10/30/2005 1:50:26 PM PST by trubluolyguy (What is this "running late?" If you were running, you would've been there on time!)
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To: little jeremiah

Moral absolutes ping


42 posted on 11/01/2005 11:57:33 AM PST by darkangel82
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To: gcruse
For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are.

Works OK for intelligent people who'd rather not get life-threatening diseases for a few moments of pleasure.

43 posted on 11/01/2005 11:59:25 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: arthurus

By Ford, you are right!!! I'm now off to have lunch with a pneumatic beta I met from the office of indoctrination last tuesday . . .

/Sarcasm off
/Tongue out of cheek


44 posted on 11/01/2005 12:04:25 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: TalBlack
I don't know if this is true but I am in the monument inscription field and there is no shortage of dead thirty and forty yr old females

Dead from what? That's very significant.

45 posted on 11/01/2005 12:09:11 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Here I am, going quietly about my business, about to step away from my computer, when I get pinged to this article. I only read the excerpt; maybe later when I've digested lunch I could think about trying to read the linked sewage.

There's so much wrong, where to start?

I guess the author thinks that whoredom is the natrual state for every woman, and dogdom the natural state for every man. It depends on what you want. Want to be a whore or a dog? We have the free will to choose that life. Want to be a civlized human being, living according the laws God has given not just in the Bible but in every monotheist religion in the world? Then practice sexual restraint - abstinence before marriage, fidelity within marriage. And be sorry when we fail. Not glory in it.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.

The rewards of living according the the universal moral laws given by God are ever expanding, ever growing, and not just of the body but of the spirit. To live like a dog means one will start looking at life like a dog.


46 posted on 11/01/2005 12:26:53 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Windsong

Only because of immigration. Without immigration, the US would have millions less population. Can't remember the exact figures, but in the tens of millions. And since over 45 million babies have been aborted in the last 35 or 40 years, it's probably within those numbers.


47 posted on 11/01/2005 12:31:52 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

It's not dog, its spelled dawg.


48 posted on 11/01/2005 12:32:28 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

Or, as I often say, dorg.


49 posted on 11/01/2005 12:36:13 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah; gcruse

This is by design. There have always been men and women who choose do do their own thing. Thanks to the concerted effort by the fine folks at Planned Parenthood, and our benevolent government, not to mention Hollyweird, there is no longer any shame attached to adultery or fornication. Okay, for many people, not all though.

A marriage union was meant for survival. Clans came together by marriage, and protected one another. Also it was important that a man's offspring were truly his own for a couple of practical reasons. Thus came fidelity and monogamy. I think if practiced, the system works just as well today as it did in the dark ages. Maybe even better considering all the groovy STD's out there.

Ravens are monogamous. We have a couple that hang out next to the house. They've been there for a couple of years raising their family. BTW LJ, it's 2005, and it's ho's and dawgs :-D


50 posted on 11/01/2005 3:10:41 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

It really is 2005?

Darn.

:-)


51 posted on 11/01/2005 3:48:28 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Traditional sexuality morality — meaning sexual restraint, particularly for women — was based on that connection between sex and conception: it evolved to protect paternity and patrimony. Now the connection has all but disappeared, as has patrimony, and the less connection, the less restraint and the more empty the morality.

Who could have predicted this?

Consequences of Artificial Methods

17. Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.

Finally, careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.

Humanae Vitae
1968


52 posted on 11/02/2005 5:25:59 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: gondramB
"higamous, hogamous" What happened to hagamous?

Let's call the whole thing off!

53 posted on 11/02/2005 5:27:02 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Taking the chance of bringing an unplanned child in the world, no matter how low the risk, is still immoral no matter what the liberals spew.

Life is worse than being "unplanned"? Should living unplanned babies be killed? Just trying to follow the logic.

54 posted on 11/02/2005 5:29:52 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Windsong
Our population is fine and dandy.

It would be below replacement level without immigration.

55 posted on 11/02/2005 5:33:04 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Life is worse than being "unplanned"? Should living unplanned babies be killed? Just trying to follow the logic.

Did you bump your head before you wrote that? Are you drunk?

56 posted on 11/02/2005 6:29:17 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: Aquinasfan

" Let's call the whole thing off!"

I was mainly making a joke..but to take a serious look at this, in the end it comes down to personal choice and personal responsibility.


57 posted on 11/02/2005 7:01:17 AM PST by gondramB
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To: gondramB
" Let's call the whole thing off!" I was mainly making a joke..

So was I ;-) "You say potatoe, and I say potatoe..."

58 posted on 11/02/2005 7:53:16 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

Sorry about that ... I'm a little slow sometimes.


59 posted on 11/02/2005 7:56:03 AM PST by gondramB
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To: gcruse

Well, I did, but then, I am a wierdo. :)


60 posted on 11/02/2005 8:04:27 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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