Posted on 10/30/2005 9:24:21 AM PST by gcruse
Traditional sexuality morality — meaning sexual restraint, particularly for women — was based on that connection between sex and conception: it evolved to protect paternity and patrimony. Now the connection has all but disappeared, as has patrimony, and the less connection, the less restraint and the more empty the morality.
For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are.
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Are you saying that when a risk free contraceptive is introduced you will change your position? Or is that just a red herring?
I hear that Minette Marrin is easy.
"I hear that Minette Marrin is easy."
Her motto is, "Yes, I do. But not with you."
Some animals are monogamous, so according to this author, humans are lower than some other animals.
And let's not forget the fact that many don't bother with it anyway.
Not to mention the spread of STDs. Look...liberals believe that sex with any and everything is okay since unwanted pregnancy can be eliminated either before or after conception. The idea that men and women's emotional and physical health might be harmed is not their worry or concern. In fact, they simply disbelieve it.
Look at the hurting people of this world and one knows they are wrong
... God DOES know what is the best situation for us. But too many people want to ignore it to their peril and unhappiness.
Talback wrote: "I often wonder why so many seem to be dying now, is it just coincidence or what?"
I don't know. Women live longer than men on average, but I don't know of any statistics that take a woman's lifestyle into account. Are the hard-driving, career-first women who delay families and marriage living as long as married ones? Probably not, but I can't prove it. From my experience, the hard-charging feminists often engage in riskier activities, both sexual (like serial monogomy) and non-sexual (like heavy smoking and drinking). Common sense tells me this has to take a harder toll on them.
gcruse wrote: "How does that apply to nuns and priests?"
Paul said it was both good to remain celibate and good to be married. If someone feels led to stay celibate in the service of the Lord, that's very admirable. Myself, I am too weak in that regard. I NEED marriage!
er, the "way its going"? Last I checked Missy, the U.S. was still the most powerful nation in the world. Our population is fine and dandy.
Behold, the fearsome hagus!
Actually, it's the guys who are most in danger of being used and discarded like dixie cups. Or maybe it's just me. Nah.
Turgidson:
Doctor, you mentioned the ration of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
Strangelove:
Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
DeSadeski:
I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.
Strangelove:
Thank you, sir.
Turgidson:
I think we should look at this from the military point of view. I mean, supposing the Russkies stashes away some big bomb, see. When they come out in a hundred years they could take over!
General:
I agree, Mr. President. In fact, they might even try an immediate sneak attack so they could take over our mineshaft space.
Turgidson:
Yeah. I think it would be extremely naive of us, Mr. President, to imagine that these new developments are going to cause any change in Soviet expansionist policy. I mean, we must be... increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow... a mine shaft gap!
Strangelove:
Sir! (stands up out of his wheelchair) I have a plan. Heh. (pauses, realizing that he is standing) Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!
You should meet your girlfriends at church.
I don't believe there can ever be 100% guaranteed contraception given human error factors or some extension of Murphy's Law.
That said let's consider a hysterectomy or vasectomy as 100% guaranteed "contraception" to answer your question. In that case no I wouldn't look at out of marriage sex as immoral in the same sense but would view it as more hedonism in relation to its promiscuity aspects. If it weren't viewed in a hedonistic light, applying the same circumstances, who's to say at what age would out of wedlock sex be "moral"? Age 21 or older? Or going the other ages 18, 15, 12, 10, 9, 8??? Some sort of slippery slope applies at some point.
There's no slippery slope at all - the age of consent is set by the states, just as the drinking age is.
We don't hear about a slippery slope for voting - "if we let 22 year-olds vote, why not seventeen year-olds? How about twelve year-olds?" Or driving age - "that's a slippery slope, pretty soon 8 year-olds will drive."
The notion that adults can't do something out of some fear that children will do it is just one big red herring. Worse than that, it's nonsense.
Ain't there yet...I was actually thinking of Europe...They are imploding right as we speak. And if it wasn't for immigration our birth rate would be tanking, too. Japan's already there. Western Civilization, if it doesn't change its ways, is heading for past tense.
"That said let's consider a hysterectomy or vasectomy as 100% guaranteed "contraception" to answer your question. In that case no I wouldn't look at out of marriage sex as immoral"
It is the insane desire to completely control and regulate the female sex organs for hedonistic appetite which makes me want to run for the hills, find a cave and hide.
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