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Not a path to promiscuity, but to sanity
Times OnLine ^ | October 30, 2005 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 10/30/2005 9:24:21 AM PST by gcruse

Traditional sexuality morality — meaning sexual restraint, particularly for women — was based on that connection between sex and conception: it evolved to protect paternity and patrimony. Now the connection has all but disappeared, as has patrimony, and the less connection, the less restraint and the more empty the morality.

For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antichristian; christianbashing; culturewar; delusional; doasthouwill; hedonism; ifitfeelsgooddoit; itsjustsex; libertines; moralabsolutes; nihilism; religion; religiousintolerance; sex; sexpositiveagenda; sexualizingchildren
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1 posted on 10/30/2005 9:24:21 AM PST by gcruse
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To: gcruse

"higamous, hogamous"


What happened to hagamous?


2 posted on 10/30/2005 9:28:13 AM PST by gondramB
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To: gcruse

LARCs (long-acting reversible contraceptives) were invented by Arabs. For centuries, they have put stones in their camels to stop pregnancies.


3 posted on 10/30/2005 9:30:18 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: gcruse

For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are.



In other words people are no better than animals, and should not try to behave as if they are.


4 posted on 10/30/2005 9:32:15 AM PST by trubluolyguy (What is this "running late?" If you were running, you would've been there on time!)
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To: gcruse

Societies that don't support the family die.

And the West will die of implosion from within and explosion from without the way it's going.


5 posted on 10/30/2005 9:32:22 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: gcruse

Damn the Sex Positive agenda. It seeks to make everyone sexually active at every age and end ALL moral judgements over who you do what with (regardless of age, sex, relation, marital status, or species of partner).

Leftist mind rot at its WORST.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22sex+positive%22


6 posted on 10/30/2005 9:36:13 AM PST by weegee (To understand the left is to rationalize how abortion can be a birthright.)
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To: ncountylee
LARCs (long-acting reversible contraceptives) were invented by Arabs. For centuries, they have put stones in their camels to stop pregnancies.

Technically, what they are after is that it mimics pregnancy and prevents them from coming into heat. It's the 'in heat' behavior they wanted to avoid more than pregnancy. I've heard of this recently to stop heat cycles in horses, they now use marbles. The marble can't ~stay~ there though, it has to be extracted after a few months. Do you know how/if they did that in camels without modern medicine?

7 posted on 10/30/2005 9:37:48 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: gcruse

Women will not be free until there is an end to Childbearing. Because of the inequalities involved, childbearing is inherently Unconstitutional and should be firmly banned with severe penalties for anyone involved in such crimes.
When babies are wholly eliminated then men must be terminated because they are not equal with Women and cannot be made equal. Then the world will have been purged of inequality and violence. Utopia will be truly, vitally, here.


8 posted on 10/30/2005 9:38:56 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: gcruse
contraception changed sexual morality.

BS!

There is no "contraception" that doesn't have a failure risk. Taking the chance of bringing an unplanned child in the world, no matter how low the risk, is still immoral no matter what the liberals spew.

9 posted on 10/30/2005 9:40:02 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Do you know how/if they did that in camels without modern medicine?

No I don't, but I don't think that bothered them.

10 posted on 10/30/2005 9:44:20 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Technology may not change morality, but it very often changes behavior. This is true for the cell phone and the microwave oven and birth control.


11 posted on 10/30/2005 9:44:23 AM PST by durasell
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To: gcruse

English will be a second language in England if they follow this line of reasoning.


12 posted on 10/30/2005 9:47:02 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: ncountylee

True enough the animal's health and comfort were never paramount..... but if it eventually kills the camel or makes it very sick, I'd think they would care from a practical standpoint.


13 posted on 10/30/2005 9:47:32 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Much of their behavior defies reason.


14 posted on 10/30/2005 9:49:55 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: gcruse

"For this reason Christian moralists and others are doomed to failure with their quixotic hopes of getting people to say no to sex or to save themselves for married monogamy; they might as well try to put a genie back in his lamp. Because higamous, hogamous we are mostly not monogamous, and we no longer have any reproductive reason even to try to pretend that we are."

Sounds to me like someone who is trying to justify their own immorality. The truth is, a large percentage of relationships are indeed monogamous, and I don't know of very many people who approve of their mates whoring about.

Also Christian moralists do not hope people say no to sex. Sex is perfectly acceptable and even encouraged by God within marriage. Christians only hope people honor God and their fellow human beings by showing restraint, because we believe the wages of sin are death--spiritual if not physical.

However, the author is indeed correct about the effect of contraception on society. Even if the reproductive reasons for monogamy have been largely eliminated through contraception and abortion, the societal, emotional and spiritual reasons for it are still there.

Furthermore, even if mankind somehow finds a way to mitigate all of the earthly penalties for sinful behavior, it doesn't mean God's plan has changed. You know, the Christian God isn't a party pooper. What I mean is, He isn't trying to ruin mankind's fun. In fact, He's telling us the best way to live healthy and happy lives in accordance with His design.

Just take a look at our society and see where the 60's free love generation has taken us! Our very survival as a nation of free people is dependent on our morality. If we cannot restrain ourselves, we will ultimately require a government to do it for us.


15 posted on 10/30/2005 10:05:16 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: gondramB
What happened to hagamous?


16 posted on 10/30/2005 10:11:22 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: CitizenUSA

" He's telling us the best way to live healthy and happy lives in accordance with His design. "

Healthy indeed! Many medico's at least suspect that all of these terminated pregnancies (whether chemical or medical)and the constant invasion of the female body by various hormones used to stop pregnancy, plus the fact that many woman put off childbirth into their mid thirties and forties is killing woman with various cancers.

I don't know if this is true but I am in the monument inscription field and there is no shortage of dead thirty and forty yr old females. Whereas 20 plus years ago whn i got into it I rarely saw such young woman.

I often wonder why so many seem to be dying now, is it just coincidence or what?


17 posted on 10/30/2005 10:26:12 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: gcruse
I believe that late marriage is responsible for many ills. People like sex, and want lots of it. That is a gift from God and should not be thought of as evil or immoral per se.

But when society encourages people to put off marriage and childbearing until their 30's or 40's, that powerful natural drive to reproduce becomes a monkey on our backs, leading to all kinds of unhealthy and perverted behavior.

I think that most people should get married in their late teens or early twenties, get the child bearing out of the way, and only then worry about long-term career goals. If you have a kid at 20, he is away at school all day when you are 25, mostly able to look after himself by your early 30's, and completely independent before you are 40.

Vigorous, varied and frequent sex is the natural condition and right of mankind. God's law commands us to confine it to marriage. Therefore, depriving ourselves of the benefits of marriage for long periods of our adult life is contrary to God's intentions for us.

(There is a corollary to this, ladies, and it has to do with week-long headaches and periods that suppposedly last three and a half weeks per month. See a doctor if necessary, but depriving your husband leads to misery for both of you.)

-ccm

18 posted on 10/30/2005 10:27:44 AM PST by ccmay (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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So birth control (and abortion) obviates the only motivation for monogamy?

How about HIV, HPV, HSV, Hepatitis A, B, C, D & E, Chlamydia, Ghonorrhea, Chancroid, Syphilis, Crabs, Scabies, Candida, Giardiasis, Trichomoniasis... not to mention eroded dignity and self-respect.

The article's author is a flipping moron.

19 posted on 10/30/2005 10:28:59 AM PST by ChuxsterS
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To: trubluolyguy
In other words people are no better than animals, and should not try to behave as if they are.

Exactly. Since we can't be perfect, why try at all?

Whatever happened to "... a man's reach should exceed his grasp"?

20 posted on 10/30/2005 10:31:38 AM PST by IronJack
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