Posted on 10/27/2005 7:20:09 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
HOUSTON, October 27, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - An experiment has been underway for a month in a Houston Texas where parents are permitted to ask scientists for a child with the gender of their choice. The procedure involves preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) which is able to detect the sex of embryos created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) prior to their implantation in their mothers' wombs.
While sex selection via PGD has been allowed in some cases where sex-linked diseases are concerned, the clinical trial is seeking to gage the impact of sex selection at the whim of the parents. According to the journal Nature, the researchers, led by Sandra Carlson of Baylor College of Medicine, will be studying the long term health effect to the children born after PGD and also the social impact on the families.
The fundamental ethical problems behind PGD lie in its origin of IVF which creates children outside of the loving union of a man and a woman. Moreover, the lives of the embryonic children conceived by the IVF procedure are under severe threat since the latest statistics have revealed that over 85% of embryos transferred in the procedure die in the process.
However, with those arguments ignored, and IVF accepted as a moral procedure in most of the world, researchers are left looking at PGD as perhaps problematic since it may cause sex discrimination as is the case in China and India. Both countries have seen a discrepancy in the ratio of boys and girls born since one-child policies and discrimination against female children have resulted in abortion being used to eliminate female babies in utero.
PGD sex selection is banned in Canada, Britain and several other countries for that reason. However the researchers are suggesting sex selection may be ethical for 'family balancing'. The researchers have said they will only accept couples into the trial who have a child and want another child of the opposite sex.
PGD is already routinely used to screen out embryos with genetic defects. Thus those embryonic children with disabilities are disposed of (read killed) prior to being given a chance to be born, a fact which has been of serious concern to groups advocating for the disabled.
How can you make an arbitrary choice on 'weeks of life'?... How do you differentiate the four-week-old from the sixteen-week-old? Care to discuss that?
I read the post I was pinged to. I saw you say cells. Did I misread?
You offered, "... but am I killing a soul. That no one can answer." BTW, I would answer that no human can kill a living soul since a living soul is only within the grasp of those beyond this plane ... that which lives is beyond the total terminus of spacetime as we define it so impotently. But that's just my beliefs talking and I'm seeking to stick to scientifically sound grounds in this discussion.
The "arguement" is YOURS (and it's almost impossible to follow), not mine. Take a reading course while you're at it. A short course in grammar would be quite helpful, too. In other words, get an education.
I know this response is quite rude of me; but I have no idea what your purpose on this thread is. Setting up strawmen arguements is not discussion. It's simply a cry for attention.
Based on your answers I believe the boat hit you in the head with devastating effects.
You asked if babies who are miscarried go to heaven? One would hope they do since God told us ""Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." Jeremiah 1:5
Now you and that other fellow tell folks on this thread that Jesus said "Judge not lest ye be judged..."
Relativists like that one but they always leave out the hook, the passage is condemning hypocrisy, not judgement. So I judge your arguments wanting and will be happy to destroy them if you'd care to continue.
The other fellow is welcome to join as well,
Oh yeah. This is a great way to convince unbelievers. At least if someone were a fellow believer, it could be said that you're reproving, rebuking.
All your moralistic judmentalism and posturing over the last few days amounts to nothing. You're a bossy Pharissee. Maybe you need the education, not in grammar or reading, but in the heart of Jesus Christ.
We are told not to judge. Paul said, WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO IN JUDGING UNBELIEVERS? That's God's job. We only judge those inside, not outside, the family of believers.
You can quote Jeremiah, Habakkuk, Obadiah, Philemon.... but when it comes down to it, we're not here to judge the unsaved world. That's God's job. We're here to bring them to Him in love. These sorts of religious debates don't generally do that. They only create a WIDER wedge. That's why God said, DON'T JUDGE. Too bad more Christians won't get that, and listen to Paul. For the unbeliever, tell them about the glorious Gospel, not beating them over the head with your morality
More like Nazi medicine...blonde hair, blue eyes, etc
Kind of puts the cabash on your weak case.
Anything else you have in mind while I'm here?
You have judged the GOP collectively as wanting in the support of widows and orphans.
Three things wrong with this.
1. It's a lie.
2. If it were true you are judging them wanting for not adhering to your morality which you just told me one should never do.
3. You judge collectively which is what collectivists do.
So you use that one verse, in the midst of a revival, to warrant judging the unsaved world, when Jesus, Paul, and James said not to? You're being very self-willed in this, and that one verse doesn't support your case. Jesus said don't judge, lest YOU be judged. What does that mean, then? Nothing at all, apparently. You render the words of Jesus, Paul and James all meaningless...
The GOP isn't a person. As much as you may treat the GOP as an entity unto itself, it is not judging a person. Nobody is born into the GOP. It's a decision a person makes, but it isn't judging a person, as you're doing here, continually...
You condemn people for making judgements based on their morality and then cite "Judge not lest ye be judged..." but you don't understand that Jesus is talking about you, the hypocrite.
If Paul said, what do I have to do with judging the outside world, and you spend so much time judging the outside world, where does that put you? You're just striking at me because you're convicted by it...
Right, it's lots of persons and being the collectivist you are you judged them collectively and found them wanting collectively.
And then you have the temerity to tell people not to judge or impose their morals? You, my friend, are a joke.
As much as you may treat the GOP as an entity unto itself, it is not judging a person. Nobody is born into the GOP. It's a decision a person makes, but it isn't judging a person, as you're doing here, continually...
Actually the only judgement I've made on this thread is about you and the other clown. I judge you both wanting. You make stupid statements that you can't support and then try to weasel your way out of them.
Well, there will be no weaseling when I'm around. Comprende?
Why did Paul say, I don't judge the outside world? That's what you're doing, which is why I took you to task. You can't answer it. You're in the wrong, leave the unbelievers to God.
I believe you will come out with the short end of the stick, in fact based on your performance here today you won't even have your hand on the stick.
I have to go now but I'll get back to any response you care to make.
The Word of God stands as the only true Jugde. And He said, leave the unbelievers to Him.
Judge Alito.>>
who is that?
It DOES seem like it's become a daily occurrence to read about something awful like this. It seems like not long ago, maybe only a year ago, the outrages weren't coming this hard and fast.
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