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Witness: Blacks, whites, and the politics of shame in America -- by Shelby Steele
Opinion Journal (Wall Street Journal) ^ | October 26, 2005 | Shelby Steele

Posted on 10/26/2005 9:20:58 AM PDT by EveningStar

Probably the single greatest problem between blacks and whites in America is that we are forever witness to each other's great shames. This occurred to me in the immediate aftermath of Katrina, when so many black people were plunged into misery that it seemed the hurricane itself had held a racial animus. I felt a consuming empathy but also another, more atavistic impulse. I did not like my people being seen this way. Beyond the human mess one expects to see after a storm like this, another kind of human wretchedness was on display. In the people traversing waist-deep water and languishing on rooftops were the markers of a deep and static poverty. The despair over the storm that was so evident in people's faces seemed to come out of an older despair, one that had always been there. Here--40 years after the great civil rights victories and 50 years after Rosa Parks's great refusal--was a poverty that oppression could no longer entirely explain. Here was poverty with an element of surrender in it that seemed to confirm the worst charges against blacks: that we are inferior, that nothing really helps us, that the modern world is beyond our reach...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: greatsociety; katrina; poverty; racism; responsibility; shelbysteele
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To: KC Burke
A Dream Deferred ought to be required reading. Great book.
81 posted on 10/26/2005 10:43:38 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: EveningStar

not just on FR, and assuredly not merely on this one topic

in general, people are sloppy and far from intellectually rigorous - this truth stands naked in all races, all cultures, throughout all time.


82 posted on 10/26/2005 10:45:04 AM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: sergey1973
"We cannot choose our ethnicity, race, or national origin, but we all can choose responsibility for our lives and we all can choose not blame the rest of the world if we fail."

I know this is slightly off topic; but I wish some one would tell this to the Arabs. It's all because of the JOOOOS! is really getting tiresome.

83 posted on 10/26/2005 10:49:47 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: EveningStar
This is understandable given the unforgiving pas de deux of mutual witness between blacks and whites in which each race prepares a face for the other and seizes on the other's weaknesses with ravenous delight.

... there will be time to prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet:There will be time to murder and create, and time for all the works and days of hands that lift and drop a question on your plate: Time for you and time for me, and time yet for a hundred indecisions, and for a hundred visions and revisions, before the taking of the toast and tea. From The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

84 posted on 10/26/2005 10:54:27 AM PDT by GOPJ (Protest a democrat -- light your hair on fire -- and the MSM still won't take your picture.)
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To: isthisnickcool

I see it was ignorance. I tell you what, lets not rebuild any area in the United States that is affected by natural disasters. I am not sure where half of the country will move but what the hell. Hey lets include areas where its dam breaks and other things helped by man.

Random columnists with no first hand knowledge of the area do not impress.


85 posted on 10/26/2005 10:56:31 AM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: Arpege92; Clemenza

I live in Orange County, California. I believe that it's less than 2% black. However, those blacks tend to be fully integrated and upper middle class.


86 posted on 10/26/2005 11:04:04 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: isthisnickcool

Here is a link for you and others of your ilk to peruse letting you understand the importance of the New Orleans port and the city that surrounds it.

http://www.stratfor.com/news/archive/050903-geopolitics_katrina.php

Again its a random link to a random writer but hey, if its good for the naysayers. Unfortunately what those like you and Hastert do, is portray the Republican Party as an unfeeling doze it down in the face of a disaster entity.


87 posted on 10/26/2005 11:08:54 AM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: EveningStar
As is the case in other areas with small black populations. I'm sure that the 1.5% of Orange County that is black is comprised of folks who relocated for their white collar jobs.

If you live in California, the "problem minority" according to alot of people are Mexicans/Central Americans. If you live in the northeast, Chicago, or the South, its blacks. Where I come from, folks have a better attitude towards Latinos (particularly if they are here legally) than they do blacks. That's just the way it is.

88 posted on 10/26/2005 11:09:48 AM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: Frenetic

Political correctness is secular religion. We are to jump, hop, touch our nose, and make our speech and writing adhere to their theories on cue. Many people here are doing that here to prove themselves free of racism. That's how deeply the guilt Steele addresses runs in the American bloodstream. We always seem to remedy it by piling on more guilt.

Eventually a free and respectful discussion of race must take place among people of good will. Blacks must become free of caring what judgments will be directed at them while they take responsibility for their families and communities. Blacks bring many wonderful things to American life, and the current focus on gangsterism and the unseemly does nothing to bring about the necessary dialogue.

In my family, we have blacks, whites, and polynesians. Race doesn't matter. We live together because we are family, but most people don't have that advantage. Separation often brings about misunderstanding and people will often gravitate to communities of their own kind and heritage. Many times it's economic. People in the black communities need to take universal responsibility for themselves, rather than automatically blaming others for everything difficult that befalls them.


89 posted on 10/26/2005 11:21:51 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: gcruse

Dude, look close at the "provisions". Cheetos, mustard, Bud Light, Red Dog, Keystone Ice, cigarettes, and several bottles of hard liquor. Is that how you pack for a disaster?


90 posted on 10/26/2005 12:00:41 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: gcruse

Dude, look close at the "provisions". Cheetos, mustard, Bud Light, Red Dog, Keystone Ice, cigarettes, and several bottles of hard liquor. Is that how you pack for a disaster?


91 posted on 10/26/2005 12:01:01 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: EveningStar

We have still not recovered yet from Hurricane Wilma here in Florida but the difference is that the people here are not looting, robbing and stealing from others.


92 posted on 10/26/2005 12:08:43 PM PDT by Buffettfan (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Clemenza
True many people do segregate themselves from others for one benefit or another and the truth is that there are plenty of people who demand that they themselves be segregated into groupings based upon the color of their skin, AND they refuse to segregate themselves into the group: American. This generation of people do not understand the simplest teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.>

"I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

93 posted on 10/26/2005 12:26:50 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: livius
"The remarkable thing is that some individual blacks have done as well as they have."

I have had the same thought many times myself.

94 posted on 10/26/2005 12:30:04 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: Frenetic
"I was recently charged with being a racist by my coworker because my coworker(who happens to be black) overheard my desktop radio at very low volume levels I might add)and got offended becuase I happened to be listening to Sean Hannity on WABC AM radio. Sean was talking about the "Millions More" march and had on various black leaders as guests. My coworker, made the charge with my boss, went to HR even blew up and made a scene in the office at me in front of all of my coworkers, gossiped about it to the rest of the office and even harrassed me in our breakroom. All becuase she blamed her offense at me as if I control her actions and emotions."

I'm so sorry you had to endure that just for listening to Sean Hannity.

Not only should she have recieved a written and verbal warning, but a few days suspension without pay.

95 posted on 10/26/2005 12:39:32 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
"A lot of urban black culture is really the residual culture of slavery and of being part of the underclass in the South after emancipation."

Complicated by the additional experience of discrimination, the sexual revolution and the Welfare State.

96 posted on 10/26/2005 12:44:07 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: Luke21
"Eventually a free and respectful discussion of race must take place among people of good will. Blacks must become free of caring what judgments will be directed at them while they take responsibility for their families and communities. Blacks bring many wonderful things to American life, and the current focus on gangsterism and the unseemly does nothing to bring about the necessary dialogue."

I have thoguht for years blacks and whites have to stop playing the blame game with one another, take an honest look at where there are true problems and work to fix them. A respectful, honest and matter of fact approach, would do wonders for everyone.

One of the first steps is of course, entirely eliminating the Welfare State.

97 posted on 10/26/2005 1:00:03 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: rdb3

Wow! That story really did get around.


98 posted on 10/26/2005 1:03:02 PM PDT by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- Rush Limbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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To: popdonnelly
Here's the problem with this analysis. White people, with all their supposed advantages, were stuck in the flood, too.

The flood had nothing to do with race.

Statistics released to date reveal that 42% of the corpses are black ... from a city that was nearly 70% black.

So, if the flood did, in fact have something to do with race ... it would appear that the white race suffered way out of proportion to its share of the population.

Why isn't this being reported by the MSM?

99 posted on 10/26/2005 1:18:38 PM PDT by caryatid (All good things which exist are the fruits of originality. [John Stuart Mill])
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To: EveningStar
I live in Orange County, California. I believe that it's less than 2% black. However, those blacks tend to be fully integrated and upper middle class.

It is a class thing ... not a race thing. The folks you have just described would be accepted happily into any American community. In an emergency, they would not be among the throng of 100 or so Katrina evacuees, housed briefly in a brand new school, who trashed and destroyed everything that could be broken ... including many brand new computers ... and, even ripped the urinals off the wall.

Many major cities are beset by marauding bands of miscreants like this. Those who have not lived with a population that acts this way cannot possibly comprehend that objections to them are not based upon race but upon their abhorrent actions.

100 posted on 10/26/2005 1:30:05 PM PDT by caryatid (All good things which exist are the fruits of originality. [John Stuart Mill])
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