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UPS agrees to end cigarette deliveries to individuals
United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | 24 Oct 05 | MICHAEL GORMLEY

Posted on 10/25/2005 6:59:09 AM PDT by SheLion

ALBANY, N.Y. - The world's largest shipping carrier, UPS Inc., will stop delivering cigarettes to individuals in the United States under an agreement announced Monday with state Attorney General Eliot Spitzer.

The agreement is the latest in federal and state efforts to combat the sale of under-taxed cigarette and to fight underage smoking. Most under-taxed or untaxed cigarettes are sold by Indian tribes, where the taxation of sales to non-Indians is disputed.

Monday's agreement leaves only the U.S. Postal Service among major carriers to continue to deliver cigarettes to individuals, Spitzer said. He called that practice "an embarrassment." Spitzer continues to negotiate with Federal Express, but they are thought to handle a small amount of the trade, said Spitzer spokesman Marc Violette.

Despite a new policy adopted by the Postal Service in September to refuse delivery of illegal products, the federal service allows employees to accept packages suspected of containing under-taxed cigarettes, Spitzer said.

"Internet cigarette traffickers are increasingly using the federal mail system to distribute their wares," Spitzer said. He said the Postal Service "clearly" has the authority to refuse to deliver cigarettes to individual smokers. "It is an embarrassment that major private companies have stopped carrying contraband cigarettes, but the federal government continues to accept them," said Spitzer, a Democrat running for governor. "Congress needs to step in and stop this practice immediately."

The Postal Service can't stop delivery even if it suspects a package clearly marked as coming from a retailer contains untaxed cigarettes, said Postal Service spokesman Gerry McKiernan.

"There could be souvenirs in the package. We don't know because we can't see inside the package," he said.

Instead, the Postal Service will watch for packages if advised by law enforcement agencies. They also will alert law enforcement agencies when the service is shipping those packages, he said.

"It's up to law enforcement agencies to enforce the law," McKiernan said.

He said private companies have contracts with firms that regularly use their services which identifies materials being shipped. The Postal Service doesn't.

"As far as I'm concerned, it's illegal," said Audrey Silk of New York City Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment and a Libertarian Party candidate for New York City mayor. "They are exploiting children ... when you employ `for the children' you can get the public to do anything."

Earlier this year, DHL banned cigarette deliveries to individuals nationwide and the nation's largest credit card companies stopped processing payments for cigarette sales.

Spitzer said Internet and mail-order cigarette retailers violate federal, state and local laws governing taxes and underage smoking. Sales to minors also violate federal wire fraud and mail fraud laws, he said.

The agreement with Spitzer matches a nationwide policy at UPS aimed at avoiding the difficulty of complying with a "patchwork" of different state laws enacted in 28 states since 2003, said Steve Holmes, spokesman for the global company based in Atlanta. He said he had no estimate of how much business would be lost.

"Regardless of that issue, we believe it's a prudent business decision and we want to do what's right, of course, by the laws, but we want to do right by our customers and we want to do right by our communities as well," he said.

Violations of the UPS policy would eventually result in suspension of service, according to the agreement.

States lose more than $1 billion a year in tax revenue from Internet tobacco sales, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Enforcement, however, has been difficult, even though in many states, including New York, the Internet sale of tobacco products is illegal.


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To: eyespysomething
Anyone want to make a bet on how long before cigerettes and other tobacco products are illegal? I say 10 years or less.

Never happen -- the states would lose too much revenue.

41 posted on 10/25/2005 8:13:57 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: SheLion

Isn't "under-taxes cigarettes" an oxymoron?


42 posted on 10/25/2005 8:14:33 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Gabz
I'm thoroughly confused with this. It appears they are only going to do this with cigarettes, not OTP (other tobacco products).......My husband gts his cigars from Florida and they come via UPS.

I'm also confused. I don't know the full scope of the agreement that UPS will be adhering to. As for that proposed legislation in Congress, it's been sitting in some committee since June. Maybe it will die a happy death there.

We do know that politicians are royally ticked that money they believe is theirs is not reaching their coffers. Too bad, eh! ;^)

43 posted on 10/25/2005 8:20:20 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver
We do know that politicians are royally ticked that money they believe is theirs is not reaching their coffers. Too bad, eh! ;^)

They can "believe" all they want - but that money is MINE until such time as I choose to part with it in the form of sales/excise taxes on purchases I make.

44 posted on 10/25/2005 8:26:27 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Wolfie
Seems to me that drug dogs could get the job done easily enough.

True enough, but that wouldn't justify the expenditure of huge amounts of money to get the equipment necessary to do the job of looking at the innards of every package.
You're assuming that they actually care about tobacco taxes and are actually looking for tobacco.

45 posted on 10/25/2005 8:27:48 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you decide to kick the tiger in the ass...you'd better be prepared to deal with the teeth.)
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To: Enterprise
Why doesn't Eliot Spitzer get a real job. Can't he find something more productive to do? And which Constitution gives him the authority to interfere with Interstate Commerce?

If,by chance,Spitzer is in his fifties it's not difficult to imagine a picture of him taken in '69 showing him in a tie dyed T shirt and sporting an unkempt,insect infested beard....just like The Most Ethical President In History.

46 posted on 10/25/2005 8:36:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: JoeGar
You are right, they won't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs! LOL

Pay up smokers or quit, its your choice after all.

47 posted on 10/25/2005 8:36:11 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: SheLion
Can't stand the high taxes?

Afraid to order off of the Internet?

Then start rolling your own!!! I find everything but the machine downtown at the local Smoke Shop.

If the Post office ever goes down the same road as UPS and DHL...thats my next step.

BTW...for all you anti-smoking nazis out there applauding and breaking out the bubbly...this whole situation will be the eventual vehicle that ends tax-free purchases on the internet.

48 posted on 10/25/2005 8:41:43 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (Hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative loaded with vitriol about everything liberal.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
BTW...for all you anti-smoking nazis out there applauding and breaking out the bubbly...this whole situation will be the eventual vehicle that ends tax-free purchases on the internet.

You've got that right........but all they can see in their tunnelvision is an stab at smokers and to them anything that does that is GOOD.

49 posted on 10/25/2005 8:46:50 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
You've got that right........but all they can see in their tunnelvision is an stab at smokers and to them anything that does that is GOOD.

Unngh...I need a smoke.

50 posted on 10/25/2005 8:48:38 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (Hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative loaded with vitriol about everything liberal.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

LOL!!!!


51 posted on 10/25/2005 8:58:35 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: eyespysomething
I'll be surprised. There is too much government money in cigarettes.

This is a HUGE racket in almost every state. They know that smoking is unpopular with the majority of people. So they use that as an excuse to outrageously tax and control people who are doing something unpopular. The also are confiscating funds from the manufacturers using horrible tactics. I know...you can ask my (insert bad word here) Governor. She had a big old hand in the money jar. Funny thing is, that money isn't going for anything related to smoking. It's building sidewalks and bridges and all kinds of completely unrelated stuff.

It is flat out wrong. Now that many states are outlawing smoking in any public place, in your own car if you have children and more...my suspicion is that in 10 years, those same governments will allow you to get some kind of "smoking license" to operate a business that caters to smokers. They will charge exorbitant yearly fees.

The governmental disingeniousness on this issue is astonishing. I will defend smokers as long as it is a legal substance. Funny part is—I hate it and think it will kill you. I don't like to be around it. I think it is icky. But I also believe that you are an adult who is entitled to make whatever choices you want in life because you understand the consequences. But it's not going to be illegal as long as the government has the biggest stake in its perpetuation.
52 posted on 10/25/2005 9:01:42 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: mysterio
Looks like it's fedex then.

FEX-X! There you go! More business for them!

53 posted on 10/25/2005 9:17:31 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: DumpsterDiver; mysterio
Agreed, but if the law passes it will make it illegal for online vendors to mail tobacco products with any carrier. Whether that law can (or will) be enforced, and whether or not tobacco vendors will attempt to use USPS anyway, is another matter. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Well, then more business can be given to FED X!!

54 posted on 10/25/2005 9:20:39 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
BTW...for all you anti-smoking nazis out there applauding and breaking out the bubbly...this whole situation will be the eventual vehicle that ends tax-free purchases on the internet.

That's just it.  People aren't looking at the whole picture in the long run.  And the trickle down effect this will have.

55 posted on 10/25/2005 9:24:09 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
Well, then more business can be given to FED X!!

From the article:

Spitzer continues to negotiate with Federal Express, but they are thought to handle a small amount of the trade, said Spitzer spokesman Marc Violette.

DHS and UPS have caved. Will FedEx do the same? (The plot thickens.)

56 posted on 10/25/2005 9:33:07 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: SheLion

How can a guy in New York stop interstate commerce in 49 other states?

I don't understand how that is Constitutional.


57 posted on 10/25/2005 9:34:30 AM PDT by hattend (Rum and Coke, please!)
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To: DumpsterDiver
Unfortunately, Congress is trying to put a stop to that. Since the United States Postal Service will deliver tobacco products, HR 2813 was introduced in the House on June 8, 2005 "to make cigarettes and certain other tobacco products non-mailable".

When all ways to ship are taken off the table, there will always be "cigarette runners" willing to fill their cars and trucks with cigs and make deliveries.

Gov't agencies have forgotten about prohibition and how it was practically unenforcable.

58 posted on 10/25/2005 9:39:19 AM PDT by hattend (Rum and Coke, please!)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
BTW...for all you anti-smoking nazis out there applauding and breaking out the bubbly...this whole situation will be the eventual vehicle that ends tax-free purchases on the internet.

Bingo! Ding-ding-ding!!

59 posted on 10/25/2005 9:41:37 AM PDT by hattend (Rum and Coke, please!)
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To: hattend
How can a guy in New York stop interstate commerce in 49 other states?

I don't either. Is he the head of all of UPS?

60 posted on 10/25/2005 9:41:48 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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