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Some Conservatives Need To Be Taken To The Woodshed (vanity)
Me ^ | 18-October-2005 | Erik Latranyi

Posted on 10/18/2005 8:18:22 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

It is time to take some conservatives to the woodshed.

With a heavy heart, I write the above after visiting Free Republic this morning.

Why?

Simply our discourse is degenerating. I am dismayed at the amount of name-calling taking place in these pages. I am even more dismayed that this name-calling is being conducted by conservatives against conservatives.

I understand the anger and disappointment stemming from the Miers nomination, but also inclusive of the budget deficit, education department, immigration, etc. These are matters that bother me as well.

Unfortunately, the tone on Free Republic bothers me even more. When conservatives call each other names and friendly disagreement over issues degenerates into those proclaiming to be "real conservatives" versus "phony conservatives" we only bow to our lowest common denominator.

Rush Limbaugh calls this the "conservative crackdown". In many ways he is right (as Rush is so often). Conservatives do not want stealth candidates. We worked hard to win and will continue to work hard to increase our majorities and enact our agenda.

We are proud conservatives and we want to proclaim this from the mountain tops!

We also want those who represent us to be proud as well. We do not want apologies. We do not want stealth. We do not need to hide behind "compassionate conservative" labels.

We are the majority and we will remain the majority as long as we continue to educate the public about what conservatism is and why we demand responsibility from both the individual and the gov't.

However, lately, we are calling each other names.

This is liberal-speak. We do not want to stoop to the level of our enemies. We should not use their tactics, either.

Conservatives use logic and reason to support our ideas. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

We are not doing that, folks!

Too many of us are so caught up lately that we forget how to be civil. If you want to call names and use the F-bomb, go to DU. You will find that language replaces truth and fact everywhere.

And that is what names do, isn't it? Names replace truth and fact.

But we are conservatives. Truth and fact are what got us this far and it will be truth and fact that continue our rise to roll back 80 years of liberalism.

Some of us back President Bush and trust his judgement. Some of us do not. That is OK. That is healthy for our movement.

What is unhealthy for our movement is this name-calling.

Let it stop. Let us debate Harriet Miers over facts and truth. Stop pronouncing yourself a "true conservative" and anybody who backs President Bush a "Bush-Bot". That is liberal-speak.


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KEYWORDS: bohica; bush; bushbot; callawaaahmbulance; conservatives; fakeconservative; holierthanthou; miers; pedantry; poopoohead
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1 posted on 10/18/2005 8:18:24 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Regicide
You big moronic poser! ;)

Oh, that's it you liberal troll weenie! ;)

3 posted on 10/18/2005 8:23:17 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Amen, brother. I'm not even going to participate in the infighting threads any more.

If you support and trust the President in this matter, as I do, you are not a "real" conservative.

In the vernacular of the the "true" conservatives posting on the subject, screw that.

Leni

4 posted on 10/18/2005 8:24:27 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Re: The Anti-War Sheehan-ites - They want to live in the garden but not tend the garden)
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To: Regicide

"Conservative" branch of the Republican party as represented by the tantrum throwing George Will, those with the tendency to go off the deep end like Rush Limbaugh have done a lot of damage with their childish behavior and need to grow up, start acting responsibly, doing more good than harm and behaving like mature adults.


5 posted on 10/18/2005 8:25:20 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Oh you're just a RHINO BUSH BOT! Neener Neener! Tongue Out(only kidding!) Good Post!
6 posted on 10/18/2005 8:25:40 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

It's not conservative vs. conservative. It's conservative vs. Republican. Anyone who supports the big government blowout that's occurred since 2001 is probably not a conservative, at least not a fiscal one.


7 posted on 10/18/2005 8:26:06 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Erik Latranyi

Naah. Name calling is much more fun.


8 posted on 10/18/2005 8:27:05 AM PDT by sauropod (Polite political action is about as useful as a miniskirt in a convent -- Claire Wolfe)
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To: Erik Latranyi

It's all a vast MoveOn.org conspiracy.


9 posted on 10/18/2005 8:27:20 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Erik Latranyi
One thing I have learned on here

Conservative does not= integrity and respect
10 posted on 10/18/2005 8:27:30 AM PDT by PaulaB
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To: Erik Latranyi
However, lately, we are calling each other names.

Idiot.

11 posted on 10/18/2005 8:27:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
"But we are conservatives. Truth and fact are what got us this far and it will be truth and fact that continue our rise to roll back 80 years of liberalism."

Ahem...In case you hadn't noticed, not all Freepers and Republicans are "conservative," but are in fact "compassionate conservatives" or RINOS who are "rolling" towards liberalism (or mushy-middle.)

12 posted on 10/18/2005 8:27:52 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Erik Latranyi

Bushbots are not just anyone who backs Bush on Miers, but those who back him no matter what he does, who backed him on Federalizing education, on McVain-Vaingold, on the largest entitlement program in 40 years, on his massive ag spending, on AIDS aid for Africa, on his refusal to do anything about the borders, on issue after issue after issue. And they back Miers too, not for substantive reasons (as some do, although I disagree with tehm), but because they "support our President." Sorry, but that's not a good reason.

They support open-borders Republicans over Minutemen. They support RINOs in Senate and House races over principled conservatives -- after all,the White House backs them, so that's reason enough, isn't it?

If you have a good reason for supporting any of this, that's one thing. I may disagree, but I can at least respect it. But "we have to support our President" is not a good reason. Sorry.


13 posted on 10/18/2005 8:27:56 AM PDT by TBP
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To: Erik Latranyi

Hear, hear!


14 posted on 10/18/2005 8:28:59 AM PDT by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Simply our discourse is degenerating... I understand the anger and disappointment stemming from the Miers nomination, but also inclusive of the budget deficit, education department, immigration, etc. These are matters that bother me as well.

Hah. Forget Miers... how about when the Terri Schiavo matter was raging on here? Half the board were calling the other half death-worshippers.

15 posted on 10/18/2005 8:29:08 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Yeah, just stick our heads in the sand, and ignore REALITY. Wow, super lib!!!


16 posted on 10/18/2005 8:29:35 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Erik Latranyi
What you say is pretty much true. Your comment re if you say anything negative about Bush here, you get immediately jumped on is totally true. As good a person as Bush seems to be, he is human, has made some big mistakes. He is not perfect, thus has made some gross errors in judgment in my opinion. And, like you, I think I am ENTITLED to that OPINION. I believe I have earned it. But, I do not back ANY candidate 100%. I do not give anyone TOTAL control over my life, thoughts, wishes, desires, wants and life. I do not trust anyone to make decision regarding my life but ME. It is my life. If I make the errors, I pay for them. Not you, not Bush, not anyone else, but ME. However, if Bush or out beloved RINOcrat congress makes a MISTAKE, ERROR IN JUDGMENT, We all PAY for it. Usually with our pocket books. When I personally make comments concerning President Bush's decisions, etc., it is because I have MY OPINION as he has his. But, again, he is not perfect. If in my judgment, he made an error, I feel I have a right to say that. Just because I disagree with his decisions does not mean I hate the guy. It means I think he made a MISTAKE. We all make them I think. Well most of us. Some here think they are above mistakes, thus perfect. I assume they live in that town in the TV commercial, of Perfect, USA.
17 posted on 10/18/2005 8:29:37 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The RNC & RINOcrats - The party of self-inflicted Wounds)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I dont even read the flame Harriet posts anymore. Like her or not the lady is entitled to her confirmation hearing. Im looking forward to hearing her for myself.


18 posted on 10/18/2005 8:29:55 AM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: Erik Latranyi; MurryMom

O.K. But Murrymom is still an infidel


19 posted on 10/18/2005 8:31:33 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Behold the Riderless Pony. Bringing doom and destruction on a smaller scale.)
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To: mysterio

See thats the point, certain conservatives think they own the only version of conservatism out there.


20 posted on 10/18/2005 8:32:39 AM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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