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DeLay's prosecutors lack a key document
HoustonChronicle.com ^ | 14 October 2005 | R.G. RATCLIFFE

Posted on 10/14/2005 9:14:31 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior

They don't have list of candidates at the heart of the laundering case, just a 'similar' one

AUSTIN - Travis County prosecutors admitted Friday they lack physical proof of a list of Republican candidates that is at the heart of money-laundering indictments against U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay and two of his associates.

The list is key to prosecutors being able to prove that corporate money that could not be legally spent on Texas candidates was specifically exchanged at the national level for donations that legally could be spent on Republican candidates for the Texas House.

Indictments against DeLay, Jim Ellis and John Colyandro state that Ellis gave "a document that contained the names of several candidates for the Texas House" to a Republican National Committee official in 2002 in a scheme to swap $190,000 in restricted corporate money for the same amount of money from individuals that could be legally used by Texas candidates.

But prosecutors said Friday in court that they only had a "similar" list and not the one allegedly received by then-RNC Deputy Director Terry Nelson.

A lawyer for Ellis said prosecutors' inability to produce the list mentioned in the indictments is on par with the tactics used by U.S. Sen. Joseph McCarthy in the communist witch hunts of the 1950s.

"I'll tell you what I think about this list. In the 1950s, a man named McCarthy claimed to have a list of 200 communists in the State Department, and he didn't," said J.D. Pauerstein, a lawyer for Jim Ellis, the director of DeLay's Americans for a Republican Majority. "They (prosecutors) don't know what list they're talking about, even though they specify it in their indictment."

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KEYWORDS: delay; demodirtyschemes; earle; fakebutaccurate; hammer; lol; prosecutormisconduct; ronnieearle
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To: Colonial Warrior
This might interest you. I learned some things that I didn't know.

Good Night, And Good Luck

121 posted on 10/15/2005 11:34:45 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Colonial Warrior

"Indictments against DeLay, Jim Ellis and John Colyandro state that Ellis gave "a document that contained the names of several candidates for the Texas House" to a Republican National Committee official in 2002 in a scheme to swap $190,000..."

So, how come the Repubs aren't going after Sen. Clinton for the $2,000,000 she failed to report on her campaign finances?

It seems Repubs are afraid to do much of anything!


122 posted on 10/15/2005 12:09:09 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Colonial Warrior

excerpts from Ann Coulter's book "Treason":

As even McCarthy's critics concede, "A host of other right-wing Republicans had sought to dramatize the communism issue, but only McCarthy succeeded. And McCarthy succeeded while others did not in part because of his throughgoing contempt for the rules of political controversy." McCarthy forced liberals to make an accounting of themselves in full view of the American people. To defend themselves, liberals made McCarthy the issue. Ever since, he has been judged under a jurisprudence of epithets.


123 posted on 10/15/2005 12:22:01 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
"Something is wrong with the democRAT drinking water there in Travis county TX"

Oh how I wish it were contained to just one county.
124 posted on 10/15/2005 12:48:35 PM PDT by angelsonmyside
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To: Lurker
"It's quite possible that Mr. Earle will lose his license to practice Law over this."

I think it takes someone with a Texas Law License to file a grievance with the Board Of Professional Responsibilities. Any one here with a Law Degree that can answer that one?
125 posted on 10/15/2005 12:54:01 PM PDT by angelsonmyside
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To: Jim Robinson
Now, remind me again! How'd that work out for some ex-newsreader? Let's see, if I'm remembering correctly his name was something like; Don Gather...no, that doesn't sound right; Ron Mather...no, that's not the excommunicated newsreader's name either; oh darn, help me out here! Do you happen to rememer his name?

I do remember this particular ex-newsreader had a real thing for Fidel Castro and Sadamm Hussein. Not sure if these are good enough clues for you to help me jog my memory. I do remember he was quite a bit younger when he was enamored with Castro. By the time he and Hussein consumated their mutual admiration society they were both a bit long in the tooth. Now I'm not one to start rumours so I'm sure these 2 relations were purely platonic even though the admiration and adoration shown out of this newsreaders eyes.

Jim, do you maybe remember this ex clown I'm talking about?

:^)

126 posted on 10/15/2005 1:59:25 PM PDT by Sally'sConcerns
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To: Lurker

The problem with Senator McCarthy was, being a communist was not then and is not now a crime.
Of course the country was infested with KGB agents and traitors. This was the cold war, after all. One presumes that actual KGB plants were smart enough to wrap themselves in the flag and not raise suspicion about themselves.
AFAIK Senator McCarthy never convicted anyone of an actual crime (such as treason, espionage or sabotage) or even produced any actual evidence.

Here's a link to a brief synopsis of the matter:

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/60.htm

Much as we'd all like to round up the gang over at DU and deport them to Cuba or North Korea, that would be legally and morally wrong.
That being said, I would like to see some of the actual traitors (such as Hanoi Jane Fonda and JFKerry) prosecuted for their crimes. "Giving aid and comfort to the enemy" is still a crime under the United States Code.


127 posted on 10/15/2005 2:33:21 PM PDT by Ostlandr ("Billions down the drain, and we ain't plugged it yet." - Federal Government motto)
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To: DJ MacWoW

This might interest you. I learned some things that I didn't know.
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Thank you.


128 posted on 10/15/2005 3:18:40 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my ....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Colonial Warrior

You're welcome.


129 posted on 10/15/2005 3:23:35 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Ostlandr

Of course the country was infested with KGB agents and traitors. This was the cold war, after all. One presumes that actual KGB plants were smart enough to wrap themselves in the flag and not raise suspicion about themselves.
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Absolutely correct. Even today, we must be on guard to prevent the infilitration of enemies into our society. It's real and a constant danger we must be on guard against.

Problem is today with the political correctness, we don't go after the culprits with the full weight of the law.


130 posted on 10/15/2005 3:30:54 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my ....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

It seems Repubs are afraid to do much of anything!
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We need a new Contract with America -- Take a Stand for Freedom!! No more Nice Guy...Stay on the up and up, no pork spending, protect our borders, or you are history in Government Service. States Rights re-empowered.

And umm...Shillary retires to Bimbo Island with Klintoon gang. Film at 11.


131 posted on 10/15/2005 3:39:55 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my ....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: msnimje
Travis County is the world's leading supplier of "Fake but Accurate" documents.

Someone should do a photoshop! Get a picture of a "Welcome to Travis County" sign, and add at the bottom "Home of 'Fake, but Accurate'"...

132 posted on 10/15/2005 3:41:58 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

To defend themselves, liberals made McCarthy the issue. Ever since, he has been judged under a jurisprudence of epithets.
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In my experience, and in this case...there is real truth in the activity under investigation...but the tactics used to get to the truth often becomes the issue.

And, unfortunately...wih hot issues like this, even to be questioned...marks a person as guilty in the eyes of the uniformed. Hysteria overrules reason and the wait for factual information.


133 posted on 10/15/2005 3:46:04 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my ....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Colonial Warrior

It was never about proof. The 'Rats just wanted to indict DeLay to force him to step down from his position in the House. Their tactics now will be to drag it out as long as possible.


134 posted on 10/15/2005 6:58:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: pepsionice
I don't want no

Bona fides....(bravo sierra) If yer from Texas...{latin, texan, perl, and sh} in one sentence. I bleed....}.;>)

/john....

having missed a ; somewhere...

135 posted on 10/15/2005 7:17:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: Colonial Warrior

"...there is real truth in the activity under investigation...but the tactics used to get to the truth often becomes the issue."

Liberals are as slippery as eels...my hat is off to anyone who can get the truth out of them.


136 posted on 10/15/2005 8:57:17 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Colonial Warrior

WOW.... if this is true, and they can prove jury shopping, this guy could be disbarred.


137 posted on 10/15/2005 9:00:39 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather; flattorney; Dog Gone; writer33; Tulsa Ramjet; JeanS
DeLay Uses Website to Attack Prosecutor (New Thread)
138 posted on 10/15/2005 9:54:30 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my ....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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To: Colonial Warrior

<< A lawyer for Ellis said prosecutors' inability to produce the list mentioned in the indictments is on par with the tactics used by United States Senator Joseph McCarthy in the communist "witch hunts" of the 1950s. >>

If that's the case and the prosecutors are as competent and as astute as was Judge McCarthy, Ellis et al are in deep shit!


139 posted on 10/16/2005 1:05:14 AM PDT by Brian Allen (Patriotic [Immigrant] AMERICAN-American and Aviator by choice - Christian by Grace)
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To: jan in Colorado

DeLay ping


140 posted on 10/16/2005 6:28:16 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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