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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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To: jla
Because should their ever be a Republican Senate with more backbone, they might then wish to be considered. Publicly turning down nomination would kill future chances for consideration.
961 posted on 10/11/2005 9:12:47 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
This entire fiasco is a mess.

We are all running around like ninnies in tight little circles feeding on our own hysteria and in serious need of a quick get-a-grip slap to the side of the head so we can calm down, get our act together and look for some kind of reasonable way forward.

Put another way—whatever happens don't leave me in the Superdome with some of the people I've bumped into these last few days.
962 posted on 10/11/2005 9:17:12 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

You just nailed it. I've been staying away from these threads because I knew it would drive me to drink....more.


963 posted on 10/11/2005 9:19:03 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Pukin Dog

I dearly love Laura Bush and I disagree with her that this uproar is even a little bit sexist in nature.

This is showing a divide and a bitterness within our party I (naively I guess) had no idea even existed. I know we all have particular interests and causes within the conservative movement- and we debate how they may be most effectively realized. Yet I still thought we were all on the same side. I guess during Schiavo is when I first saw the hate- now it's become embarrassingly apparent.


964 posted on 10/11/2005 9:20:16 AM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: pollyannaish
It is a mess, and it is going to get worse before it gets better. Rush was right yesterday. There are the makings of a Conservative divorce from the Republican party if things don't calm down soon.
965 posted on 10/11/2005 9:20:33 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: SE Mom
This mess lays at the feet of the administration.

They failed to understand that much of Bush's support came from the belief that he would fix what is wrong with the Supreme Court. Many believe he betrayed them with the Miers selection, and that genie cant be put back in the bottle, even if she does withdraw.

Frankly, I dont know how Bush fixes this.
966 posted on 10/11/2005 9:23:10 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Where do conservatives go? To the dims? No. To an independent party?


967 posted on 10/11/2005 9:25:52 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: Pukin Dog

So where do we go? I'm not being flippant, I'm being serious. Because the way things are right now, the only chance of accomplishing anything is within the two-party system. And there aren't enough of us ... and I may get flamed for this, but IMHO folks who believe like we Freepers do, I'm not talking about how they vote but what they believe in their heart of hearts, are a minority in this country ... to go third party with any success whatsoever.


968 posted on 10/11/2005 9:26:33 AM PDT by GB
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To: GB

Agreed. The Repubs are our best shot.


969 posted on 10/11/2005 9:28:01 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: bonfire
LOL. It's a good thing I don't drink, because this would send me right out into the gutter with a bottle of something cheap in a brown paper bag.

I just keep reminding myself that this too shall pass—and hope and pray we're in reasonably decent condition on the other side.
970 posted on 10/11/2005 9:30:32 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Pukin Dog

The wings are coming off.



May happen but then I've seen you yell and scream wolf before with no results....

My guess is that this will play itself out overtime and Ms. Miers will be confirmed as the next AJ.. The real test is her abilities during the hearing. If she can do well she'll have no problems regardless of how much the fringe elements are upset....


971 posted on 10/11/2005 9:31:18 AM PDT by deport
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To: GB

Corrected: The Repubs are our only shot.


972 posted on 10/11/2005 9:31:30 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Where do we go? Hopefully NOWHERE.

We need to grow up and understand that our leaders are not perfect. Bush made a genuine mistake, but I am supporting his choice based on the fact that he was practically forced to choose Miers, when no one else would (or could) take the job.

Bush had no choice, so I forgive him for this. But he erred in assuming that his supporters would march in lockstep with their mouths shut.

But the administration makes a much worse mistake when they attack those who question Miers with the sexist and elitist tags. They made their jobs a lot harder, and I can only guess that Karl Rove is too busy defending himself than to have time to tell others to shut the hell up.
973 posted on 10/11/2005 9:33:37 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

A mess, no doubt.


974 posted on 10/11/2005 9:37:28 AM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: jla; Pukin Dog
Then why hasn't a single one of them stated this publicly? And the only nominee I had seen, though not verified, that withdrew her name for consideration is Priscilla Owen.

Ok jla...I want you to think about this for just a moment.

You've been put through the wringer for several years going through a confirmation process on a lower court. The press hounds you, digs into you background, hassles your friends, relatives, third grade teacher, accountant and landscaper. You're tired, you're worn out, you just want to settle into your new home, get your kids and family settled into some kind of life.

Then, the President calls. Tells you he'd like to nominate you to the Supreme Court. You look at your wife and kids. You know that you once ate paste in third grade, and you bounced a check to the landscaper in 1971 and had to take antidepressants for a brief time during the Carter administration.

And you say thanks but no thanks. I want to keep a low profile until all the hysteria dies down.

Now...why would this person want to wander out in front of the press to say he/she didn't want the job again? Do you think the press might be just a tad curious as to WHY you didn't want to be considered?

Do you think the press would be hesitant to splash banner headlines declaring that "JLA unfit to serve due to paste eating...impeachment proceedings to commence immediately" to ensure you would NEVER be nominated to SCOTUS, and even better damage that evil President Bush in the process so that the charges of "corruption" that are going to be very prominent in the next election cycle will have more fuel?

That is the way of the Washington press corp. They are part of the axis of evil...it's just that we forget when we happen to agree with them.

And that is also why, in my opinion, you don't go running to the press to excuse yourself from consideration under most circumstances. Priscilla Owens was a brave woman. But I believe she outed herself BEFORE all the controversy hit, and that makes a world of difference.

975 posted on 10/11/2005 9:49:04 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Howlin; hobson
I"m like, huh? I thought Roe v. Wade WAS the be all end all of the extreme right wing.

No, RKBA is in there, too. And land use and ownership in the West. And affirmative action. And anti-masculine screedery in general cast as policy.

Lots of goodies in the old liberal basket that need to be got rid of.

977 posted on 10/11/2005 9:51:31 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: pollyannaish
I really appreciate your comments.
But, haven't nominees to the SCOTUS, (in modern times), always been put under a microscope by the press? The probing from an unfriendly press corps is nothing new to judges nominated by a GOP President.
978 posted on 10/11/2005 9:57:16 AM PDT by jla (I support Aunt Harriet Miers)
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To: Pukin Dog

Hmmm. I said earlier that ONLY Republicans could keep Miers from being confirmed. Looks like I was right on this.


979 posted on 10/11/2005 9:58:45 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Pukin Dog
Honestly, I think this has been coming in for the last 10 years.

It is much more difficult to be a majority party, then the minority party. It's the same dynamic that keeps Super Bowl winners from dominating year after year.

The win is often more about heart than fundamentals...and it throws the teamwork angle into disarray.
980 posted on 10/11/2005 9:59:25 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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