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Workers often have to travel through dangerous areas to get to work. If a company bans guns locked in a car of their parking lot, they are in effective prohibiting the employee from having a gun while traveling to and from work. It's a classic case of the rights of workers versus big business interests. I would love to see the NRA win this one. I hope that Governor Jeb Bush will grow a spine and support this proposal. Bush claims to support the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. I know that he caved into the illegal aliens on the driver's license issue and the gay lobby on the state gay marriage amendment, but let's hope that Bush will take a stand for the safety of Florida's workers by allowing them to travel to and from work with guns. If a company is worried about potential workplace violence, hire more security guards - the cost can come out the absurd salaries being paid to corporate CEO's.
1 posted on 10/09/2005 9:09:30 AM PDT by RightDemocrat
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To: RightDemocrat

I assume the term "guns-at-work" was selected by opponents of the bill? It certainly gives a different impression from "guns locked in your car."


2 posted on 10/09/2005 9:16:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: RightDemocrat

GOOD! My Life Membership fee is being put to good use. Thank you, and I AM THE NRA!


4 posted on 10/09/2005 9:37:00 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Progressivism: A polyp on the colon politic.)
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5 posted on 10/09/2005 9:38:29 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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TALLAHASSEE -- A rare and spectacular showdown may be coming in Florida's Republican Party: Big Business vs. Big Guns

Ugh....can they at least get past the very first line before they try to, IMHO,scare the uninformed?

6 posted on 10/09/2005 9:42:31 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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Many businesses are either wary of or leaning against the proposal, including heavy-hitters such as Disney and local giants such as Blue Cross and Blue Shield, CSX and Baptist Health System.

Disney is not a Republican company. That's one of the reasons this law is needed.

8 posted on 10/09/2005 9:48:47 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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...In a telling sign of wariness, neither Gov. Jeb Bush, Senate President Tom Lee nor House Speaker Allan Bense are taking positions on the bill yet....

Wariness?

That's a big yellow stripe down their backs that's showing.


10 posted on 10/09/2005 9:56:21 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ( Welcome to the Canexico Community!)
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I used to subscribe to the Florida Times Union and later the Georgia Times Union which was the same paper for the most part.

It was a pretty conservative paper. Maybe it has changeed or maybe just the writer wanted to create a little controversy with title.

12 posted on 10/09/2005 10:02:06 AM PDT by yarddog
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"Your home is a slam dunk, but bridging that into the private property of an organization doesn't hold,"

Suppose an employer tried to tell it's workers they couldn't keep a bible locked in the trunk of their car while on the job. Would that be acceptable to large numbers of people? How did the first amendment become more important than the 2nd?

13 posted on 10/09/2005 10:05:59 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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A different approach would be to have automobiles declared as an extension of the home. Anything you could lawfully posses in your home would thereby be legal to possess in your vehicle, regardless of it's location.


14 posted on 10/09/2005 10:13:27 AM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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I think that they should write the law so that it only applies to "corporations". These are legal entities which are granted privileges including limited liability. It should not be unreasonable for such entities to conduct themselves in ways which do not infringe rights.

In this way, the rights of private proprietorships to control their parking areas would be preserved, but corporations would be required to be "good citizens" who do not infringe the right to keep and bear arms.

This would seem to be a small price to pay for the substantial benefits which incorporation provides and it is completely consistent for the legislature to dictate what benefits and requirements attach to incorporation.

If a privately run hardware store wishes to disarm me in their parking lot but Home Depot is forbidden to do so, I know where I will choose to shop.

16 posted on 10/09/2005 10:21:55 AM PDT by William Tell
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If I own the business, I ought to be able to set the rules, even stupid rules like no guns in the workplace including vehicles parked on my lot. If you don't like the rules, then go find another job, or better yet, start your own business with your own rules.


22 posted on 10/09/2005 11:13:12 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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It is absurd to ban commuters from having guns in their glove compartments. Especially when busiensses are already shielded from legal liability should those guns be misuesd.

About Allen Bense, it's too bad he decided to not run for the U.S. Senate next year.


24 posted on 10/09/2005 11:21:39 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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In a telling sign of wariness, neither Gov. Jeb Bush, Senate President Tom Lee nor House Speaker Allan Bense are taking positions on the bill yet.

I interpret this to mean that these two are inclined to support their heavy contributors (who are concerned about their insurance premiums and little else), and the voters who put them into office be damned. They're just looking for a way to do it that doesn't draw a lot of attention. We're going to have keep the heat on, and their feet to the fire, or we'll be sold out.

33 posted on 10/09/2005 12:03:30 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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Your points are well taken, but IMO, the NRA, of which I am a life member, is coming down against the side of property rights on this matter.

The premises of "big businesses" are private property and thus, what is allowed on those premises should, in a free country, be at the discretion of the owners. The NRA is falling into the liberal trap of thinking that the existence of businesses is justified by the fact that they fulfill a public service of some kind when in fact their existence is justified by the fact that they make money for their stockholders.

It may be the "right" decision in this case to allow workers to bring firearms onto private property, but it's not a good idea, in a free country, to give great power to government in order that it force everyone to do what for the moment strikes politicians as "right." Once it can force employers to allow employees to bring guns in, it could equally well force employers to prohibit such.

The point is that such things should be at the discretion of the property owner, not the government.


37 posted on 10/09/2005 12:23:20 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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It's a mistake IMO. Private property is private property. Companies should and do have the right to set the rules for their property.


66 posted on 10/09/2005 6:18:40 PM PDT by cruiserman
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I am always amazed that people object to me carrying a gun, with a permit that means I have never had a run in with the law, at 56 years old. No one in America cared that at 22 with an 18 year old driver, I went up and down the highway in Germany with a side arm, a M-16, and NATO CRYPTO for a Pershing nuclear missile platoon with three launchers and nine rockets.


69 posted on 10/09/2005 6:34:38 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (Houston - Showing New Orleans how it's done.)
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I'll carry my gun where I damned well please. If it's in my car, Disney and the rest of those whining Jackass lovers can KMA.


93 posted on 10/10/2005 5:47:37 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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bump. Meanwhile, in NJ, we still have to ask the government's permission to purchase a pistol.


126 posted on 10/10/2005 7:51:25 AM PDT by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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If this is truly about whether employees of a company can keep guns locked in their cars while on company property, then its a moot issue. Shall Issue CCW is the law in Florida. Unless these companies want to install guards and gates and then engage in [and pay for] car searching of each employee each and every day, then they cannot control who carries what onto company property. In effect, these companies would become little police states. Not good business. The only companies that could do such things are those involved in serious DOD work. I imagine they already have high security levels and they probably employ armed guards. Disney sure doesn't fit that bill.


158 posted on 10/10/2005 11:29:40 AM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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In a telling sign of wariness cowardice, neither Gov. Jeb Bush, Senate President Tom Lee nor House Speaker Allan Bense are taking positions on the bill yet.

Usage error corrected; no extra charge.

215 posted on 10/11/2005 7:42:04 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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