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Famed author takes on Kansas: Rushdie bemoans role of religion in public life
Lawrence Journal-World ^ | 10/7/5 | Sophia Maines

Posted on 10/08/2005 5:29:47 AM PDT by Crackingham

Citizens of the world should be concerned about religious extremism whether it’s in Iran or America, says author Salman Rushdie, who was once marked for death by Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini.

Rushdie compared the emergence of religion into public life in Kansas with similar movements across the world in a lecture Thursday at the Lied Center.

“I would really love never to mention that word again: religion,” Rushdie said. “But now it seems to be coming right at us all. I don’t just mean radical Islam, by the way. I believe we have some problems right here.”

Rushdie received a standing ovation after the lecture, in which he revealed his thoughts on writing and receiving death threats and also blasted religion, intelligent design and the best-selling book “The Da Vinci Code.”

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Rushdie told the crowd that religion has much potential to do harm in the world today.

“It’s a pretty bad time for us who don’t believe that superstition should rule the world,” he said.

When asked how rationalism could win the fight against religion, Rushdie said with ridicule, argument and battle. When he was young, the 58-year-old said, he and others thought they’d won the battle. So they turned their heads.

We were “so busy having fun that all the uncool people took over the world,” he said.

And this superstition needs to be pushed back in the cupboard where it belongs, he said. Rushdie also blasted intelligent design proponents.

“I never had any doubts about evolution theory,” he said. “I gather there are parts of Kansas where the big bang did not take place.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: antitheist; chirstianity; creationism; crevolist; evolution; intelligentdesign; religion; rushdie; secularists
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To: ElipticalAmigo
The other is enforcing religion so people think the government is doing God's will and will thus be more likely to agree with the government. (Like Hitler did)

I think you need to take a course in Religion 101. The Swastika was designed by Hitler to be a twisted cross, and was his rejection of Christianity for a substituion of his own warped belief system. Indeed, his spiritual adviser was Alice Baily, a New-Age witch.
41 posted on 10/08/2005 6:43:11 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: ElipticalAmigo
What worries me more was how the Catholic Church reacted to Hitler.

What do you mean? The facts that countless thousands of priests died in the concentration camps is not enough for you? Would you want the Swiss guards of Vatican to defeat Wehrmacht in the battle?

42 posted on 10/08/2005 6:43:45 AM PDT by A. Pole (For today's Democrats abortion and "gay marriage" are more important that the whole New Deal legacy.)
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To: ElipticalAmigo
"I see religious people killing those who don't believe what they do far more likely then secularists killing people because they are religous."


Oh those "secularists" need live bodies enslaved to keep themselves at the top of the heap.

Based upon these words of yours I suppose we should stop fighting the terrorists killers, win the war the secularists method of operation, peace, peace, peace talks.
44 posted on 10/08/2005 6:46:48 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Crackingham

Religious extremism is alive and well in this country. If you don't believe that, perhaps you should read the following quotations from Randall Terry (Operation Rescue and Terri Schiavo):

1. "When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed...If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have a righteous testosterone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not here to get along. They are here to take over..." (Randall Terry, Addressing a banquet sponsored by the US Tax Payes Alliance, Aug. 8, 1995)

2. "I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism." (Randall Terry, The News Sentinel, Fort Wayne, IN, Aug. 16, 1993)


Or, we could examine Pat Robertson, and his public call for the assassination of Venzuelan President Chavez. I will not argue whether or not it is right or wrong to use assassination to further national security. However, it is really stupid and shows a total lack of judgement, to publicly call for an assassination.


46 posted on 10/08/2005 6:51:02 AM PDT by punster
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To: ElipticalAmigo

You need to do less guessing and more historical research, then. "genocide" wasn't even a word until Hitler came along.


47 posted on 10/08/2005 6:52:39 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: ElipticalAmigo
"I see religious people killing those who don't believe what they do far more likely then secularists killing people because they are religious."

Then you are blind and or ignorant. Secularists are the most prolific killers in all of history, dominating up to and including the bloodiest century of them all the 20th. The religious have, necessarily, been their FIRST victims.
48 posted on 10/08/2005 6:52:59 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Kewlhand`tek

"yes I read SATANIC VERSES. I read the WHOLE thing. Made my brain hurt. There are some factual things about ISLAM in there but it is there to kinda give someone background on ISLAM if they dont know about it. the rest of it is sillyness."

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If Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses" today, would he be prosecuted in Old Europe for violating their various hate speech laws (Michel Hollebecq, Orianna Fallaci, etc.)?


49 posted on 10/08/2005 6:57:00 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: ElipticalAmigo
"I don't undurstand your train of logic. I say that I think relgious extremism is more threatening then scularism, and you think that means I want to stop the fight against it?"


Seems as though you appear to think secularism is not extremism. Yet if one looks closely secularism is exactly what has allowed the growth of terrorism, the go along get along ideology.

What standard is one to follow? Secularism is a religion, it is a god to those it feeds, clothes, and passes out state run medical treatment. Secularist are the gods and they have no power without willing servants.
50 posted on 10/08/2005 6:57:08 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: ElipticalAmigo
I think there are two ways that authoritarian governments control the people. One is by enforcing athiesm to make people more reliant on the state, (like Stalin did) . . . . The other is enforcing religion so people think the government is doing God's will and will thus be more likely to agree with the government. (Like Hitler did)

Authoritarian is too weak a description for communism. The term totalitarian better describes the complete domination of the State over all aspects of lfe in a communist country.

Your assertion that Hitler "enforced religion" is a puzzling one. Which religion did he enforce? And it what way did he do this?

51 posted on 10/08/2005 6:58:23 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: punster
Firstly, I am not a Randall Terry fan, but I would like to see his comments to make certain they are not being taken out of context. I am almost certain you have done so.

Secondly, Robertson was wrong to have said what he did, but they are not the policy of any Christian church that I am aware of except maybe the a few in the Christian Identity Movement, and to label those as true Christians is INSANE.
52 posted on 10/08/2005 6:59:00 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Crackingham

Another example of Religious Extremism in the United States:

Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas. The extent of Phelps fanaticism includes demonstrations cheering the deaths of American Miltary Personnel. Those demonstrations are being held at the funerals, a direct attack on the surviving families.


53 posted on 10/08/2005 6:59:50 AM PDT by punster
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To: ElipticalAmigo


"The other is enforcing religion so people think the government is doing God's will and will thus be more likely to agree with the government. (Like Hitler did)"

Question answered, you're ignorant. Hitler's troops took a vow not to God or the fatherland but to HIM, Adolf Hitler PERSONALLY. (You can't get further from God than that)Hitler was NOT religious, he was NOT a Catholic in any way manner shape or form. He wanted, if anything, to return to the amorphous pagan practices of Germany's pre Christian past.




54 posted on 10/08/2005 7:00:34 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: ElipticalAmigo
IBZ!.

You done got the

55 posted on 10/08/2005 7:03:12 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: ElipticalAmigo

Can't you tell a lie from reality? Hitler was a self obssessed pagan who politically manipulated the religious beliefs of others to suit himself. To quote Hitler saying how he is a Catholic and will always be a Catholic shows that you believe Hitler was being honest. Ridiculous.


56 posted on 10/08/2005 7:03:27 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: punster

I think most Christians would say Phelps is just a nut. It isn't like he has a big following. We only know of him because of his extremism. He drags his family along with him but usually there are only a very few people with him. He's certainly not an example of mainstream Christianity.


57 posted on 10/08/2005 7:06:07 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852; punster

Not to mention that there are significant indications that Phelps is a paid shill for the leftists. His "church," which consists of himself and his family members, is mighty cozy with Democrats.


58 posted on 10/08/2005 7:08:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: labette

> Your original statement in post 6 was about "religious people"' not pseudo-religious people.

The same can thus be applied to secular/pseudo-secular people. Commies were far from secular. They replaced the religious worship of gods with the religious worship of the "historical dialectic," the "worker" and the "state."

And yes, Hitler was religious. It was just his own weird volish, "hey I'm god/the chosen of god" religion. Similar to the weird mutant beliefs of goobers like Jim Jones.


59 posted on 10/08/2005 7:14:15 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Tax-chick
You got that right -> Al Gore
60 posted on 10/08/2005 7:15:16 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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