Posted on 10/06/2005 6:44:13 PM PDT by aft_lizard
After a few days of arguing over the Miers nomination for the Supreme Court I am rather sick of it. I have been arguing for her even though I know little about her. I think she is a fine individual and probably a good Christian , and I think her qualifications are just fine. After all 35 of 55 Founding Fathers were lawyers, does that mean the other 20 werent qualified?But I digress to write this because I am moving into the No category.
I decided this not because I dont like her, I personally feel that she would make a fine Justice, but her simple nomination has torn the base apart. I think it would do us and the RNC good if we all united against her, because as it stands right now we are becoming laughing stocks to the otherside, and if there is one thing I hate ,and thats to be laughed at by commies. We all need to stop the name calling, the troll insults and the Bush-bot insults and well all of them, and yes I am guilty of it too. I wont be a vociferous voice against her, you will probably still hear me defend her and the President, like I have been doing.
I urge a consensus from the base to emerge over this.The poll on FR is showing the Yes crowd with 30.3% the nos with 24.4% and the need more info at 41.8%(the hillarys dont count), and this is the member poll results.I dont think it would be to unfair to reason that if you were to poll the base outside of FR the results would be the same, and that is dangerous for any party. Sure it shows that we arent a lockstep party, or a lockstep ideology, with the powers that be. But if a movement is to survive it has to have a secure foundation, and right now I see the foundation rumbling as if to fracture.
If the Miers hearing is crafted like the Roberts hearing, then we will know nothing more than we do now. My guess is it will be. We learned little more about Roberts than we did prior to the hearings.
Going forward with Owens or Brown, w might end up with a losing vote.
I think there is just as big a chance of her not being confirmed or stepping aside prior to the hearings. That would be just as damaging, especially if the only real reason would be her perceived lightweight credentials or fractured party support and not from the usual suspects.
I think you continue to pester because you want to invoke a fight. I hope Howlin just starts to ignore you and we can sit back and watch you post and post and post and post to her.
That maybe true, and I think she will be a fine Justice. But to me holding power in the congress and senate is more important in the long run than one misplaced gamble that not only could split the base for the upcoming elections or two and the possibility of having a liberal judge by legislating from the bench.
"We" didn't? I did. I don't exactly know what you were looking for, but I watched a man make mincement of some of those "esteemed" members of the senate. With no notes.
The Senators couldn't even follow their own staff-prepared notes to keep up with asking him questions.
I love Howlin, but that would never happen.
I have to support Miers, if for no other reason than the fact that self proclaimed 'intellectuals' like George sWill oppose her. Trent Lott is another reason to support her nomination; Lott is nothing but an old, southern, good ol' boy Freemason, used to throwing his power around. His feelings are hurt? Too damn bad.
I've read this thread very carefully, and things were moving along quite civily until Howlin started throwing out terms like Unappeasables and Malcontents in Post #15. Kind of put a chill on the warm, fuzzy feeling that was developing.
Your response would be fine if we were talking murder,or the death of a career here, we arent. She will survive just fine on or off the bench. But unfortunately we are talking politics here and in politics sometimes you need to remove the dead weight so you can actually move along, and I think Miers, right now anyways, is becoming dead weight.
Ok, so you learned he can talk around a senators question. What did you learn about the mans intellect, his judicial philosophy, his probable leanings on key matter that may face the court? I learned nothing. Go back over this board when those hearings took place. How many people applauded that he was able to say alot, yet not say anything. Sorry, we got no real look into the mans soul. And I support his nomination and confirmation.
Sorry Howlin but I have certainly been here since '99, I just didn't begin posting until a couple of years ago. There are a lot of conservative lurkers out there who use FR to find news links rather than to chat it up online.
I will wait and take my joy someday in the future, when Justice Miers has been on the court for a while, and there's another position open. "Real" conservatives will be demanding someone in the "Thomas, Scalia, Miers" mold, and we'll let them get away with pretending that they supported her all along.
:-)
They were emasculated when they caved in to clintoon in the '95 "government shutdown" over the "Medicare cuts".
You really don't have a say in it. If you write to your senator, they'll laugh at you because the hearings haven't even started. How on earth could they possibly take someone seriously who doesn't even know what the woman stands for.
Besides, we do not live in a direct democracy, we live in a constitutional republic. You had your say when you (or others) elected Dubya. At that point it was out of your hands.
Apparently, we were not watching the same hearings. I hope that you might learn more from the next ones.
Too bad that the 17th Amendment was ratified. With that amendment the states basically gave up all their rights to be properly represented in Congress. A senator is now nothing more than a representative of the people with a 6 year term, redundant to the House and mostly unnecessary.
I consider National Review libertarian, so that could be a reason many of their staff might be against her. I decided early to wait and see. I think Bush is an honorable man who is very wise. So for now, I will trust him. It must be so hard for them to hold their tongue. They so want to bring honor back to the Oval Office.
The record has shown the "Cabal Of 14" won't even get you to 51.
You're imputing far more humanity to that cold ba$$turd than he deserves.
Oh, I wasn't the only one who noticed little was said. It was applauded day after day here that then nominee Chief Justice Roberts was able to fend off giving a real hints. It is my hope that we will see and hear something in the next hearing.
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