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6 Oct,2005 | Me

Posted on 10/06/2005 6:44:13 PM PDT by aft_lizard

After a few days of arguing over the Miers nomination for the Supreme Court I am rather sick of it. I have been arguing for her even though I know little about her. I think she is a fine individual and probably a good Christian , and I think her qualifications are just fine. After all 35 of 55 Founding Fathers were lawyers, does that mean the other 20 werent qualified?But I digress to write this because I am moving into the No category.

I decided this not because I dont like her, I personally feel that she would make a fine Justice, but her simple nomination has torn the base apart. I think it would do us and the RNC good if we all united against her, because as it stands right now we are becoming laughing stocks to the otherside, and if there is one thing I hate ,and thats to be laughed at by commies. We all need to stop the name calling, the troll insults and the Bush-bot insults and well all of them, and yes I am guilty of it too. I wont be a vociferous voice against her, you will probably still hear me defend her and the President, like I have been doing.

I urge a consensus from the base to emerge over this.The poll on FR is showing the Yes crowd with 30.3% the nos with 24.4% and the need more info at 41.8%(the hillarys dont count), and this is the member poll results.I dont think it would be to unfair to reason that if you were to poll the base outside of FR the results would be the same, and that is dangerous for any party. Sure it shows that we arent a lockstep party, or a lockstep ideology, with the powers that be. But if a movement is to survive it has to have a secure foundation, and right now I see the foundation rumbling as if to fracture.


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KEYWORDS: bush; freerepublic; miers; supremecourt
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To: Miss Marple
I think everyone should wait until Ms. Miers testifies. We can make our decisions then. Myself, I will support her unless her testimony shows her to be incompetent.

If the Miers hearing is crafted like the Roberts hearing, then we will know nothing more than we do now. My guess is it will be. We learned little more about Roberts than we did prior to the hearings.

Going forward with Owens or Brown, w might end up with a losing vote.

I think there is just as big a chance of her not being confirmed or stepping aside prior to the hearings. That would be just as damaging, especially if the only real reason would be her perceived lightweight credentials or fractured party support and not from the usual suspects.

61 posted on 10/06/2005 7:18:48 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: aft_lizard
Food for thought.
62 posted on 10/06/2005 7:19:32 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Rodney King

I think you continue to pester because you want to invoke a fight. I hope Howlin just starts to ignore you and we can sit back and watch you post and post and post and post to her.


63 posted on 10/06/2005 7:20:30 PM PDT by KingKongCobra (Trying to save the "Donner Party" from themselves.)
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To: Howlin

That maybe true, and I think she will be a fine Justice. But to me holding power in the congress and senate is more important in the long run than one misplaced gamble that not only could split the base for the upcoming elections or two and the possibility of having a liberal judge by legislating from the bench.


64 posted on 10/06/2005 7:22:09 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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To: joesbucks
"We learned little more about Roberts than we did prior to the hearings."

"We" didn't? I did. I don't exactly know what you were looking for, but I watched a man make mincement of some of those "esteemed" members of the senate. With no notes.

The Senators couldn't even follow their own staff-prepared notes to keep up with asking him questions.

65 posted on 10/06/2005 7:22:59 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: KingKongCobra
I hope Howlin just starts to ignore you

I love Howlin, but that would never happen.

66 posted on 10/06/2005 7:24:17 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: aft_lizard

I have to support Miers, if for no other reason than the fact that self proclaimed 'intellectuals' like George sWill oppose her. Trent Lott is another reason to support her nomination; Lott is nothing but an old, southern, good ol' boy Freemason, used to throwing his power around. His feelings are hurt? Too damn bad.


67 posted on 10/06/2005 7:25:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: KingKongCobra

I've read this thread very carefully, and things were moving along quite civily until Howlin started throwing out terms like Unappeasables and Malcontents in Post #15. Kind of put a chill on the warm, fuzzy feeling that was developing.


68 posted on 10/06/2005 7:26:10 PM PDT by kevao
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Your response would be fine if we were talking murder,or the death of a career here, we arent. She will survive just fine on or off the bench. But unfortunately we are talking politics here and in politics sometimes you need to remove the dead weight so you can actually move along, and I think Miers, right now anyways, is becoming dead weight.


69 posted on 10/06/2005 7:27:10 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Ok, so you learned he can talk around a senators question. What did you learn about the mans intellect, his judicial philosophy, his probable leanings on key matter that may face the court? I learned nothing. Go back over this board when those hearings took place. How many people applauded that he was able to say alot, yet not say anything. Sorry, we got no real look into the mans soul. And I support his nomination and confirmation.


70 posted on 10/06/2005 7:27:17 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Howlin

Sorry Howlin but I have certainly been here since '99, I just didn't begin posting until a couple of years ago. There are a lot of conservative lurkers out there who use FR to find news links rather than to chat it up online.


71 posted on 10/06/2005 7:27:54 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: Howlin

I will wait and take my joy someday in the future, when Justice Miers has been on the court for a while, and there's another position open. "Real" conservatives will be demanding someone in the "Thomas, Scalia, Miers" mold, and we'll let them get away with pretending that they supported her all along.

:-)


72 posted on 10/06/2005 7:28:59 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 900 knives and counting!)
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To: sport

They were emasculated when they caved in to clintoon in the '95 "government shutdown" over the "Medicare cuts".


73 posted on 10/06/2005 7:34:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
She may very well turn out to be an excellent strict constitutionalist, but I am not prepared to gamble on it.

You really don't have a say in it. If you write to your senator, they'll laugh at you because the hearings haven't even started. How on earth could they possibly take someone seriously who doesn't even know what the woman stands for.

Besides, we do not live in a direct democracy, we live in a constitutional republic. You had your say when you (or others) elected Dubya. At that point it was out of your hands.

74 posted on 10/06/2005 7:34:43 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: joesbucks

Apparently, we were not watching the same hearings. I hope that you might learn more from the next ones.


75 posted on 10/06/2005 7:34:48 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: McGavin999

Too bad that the 17th Amendment was ratified. With that amendment the states basically gave up all their rights to be properly represented in Congress. A senator is now nothing more than a representative of the people with a 6 year term, redundant to the House and mostly unnecessary.


76 posted on 10/06/2005 7:37:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: nerdgirl

I consider National Review libertarian, so that could be a reason many of their staff might be against her. I decided early to wait and see. I think Bush is an honorable man who is very wise. So for now, I will trust him. It must be so hard for them to hold their tongue. They so want to bring honor back to the Oval Office.


77 posted on 10/06/2005 7:37:47 PM PDT by AUsome Joy
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Why not pick someone who has an established record and will get 51 votes?

The record has shown the "Cabal Of 14" won't even get you to 51.

78 posted on 10/06/2005 7:38:07 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: muawiyah
"I'd guess Souter will decide the anxiety of being the most hated single member of a bad court is too much for him"

You're imputing far more humanity to that cold ba$$turd than he deserves.

79 posted on 10/06/2005 7:38:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Oh, I wasn't the only one who noticed little was said. It was applauded day after day here that then nominee Chief Justice Roberts was able to fend off giving a real hints. It is my hope that we will see and hear something in the next hearing.


80 posted on 10/06/2005 7:40:35 PM PDT by joesbucks
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