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Secrets of the Dead; Case File: The Great Fire of Rome
Secrets of the Dead Series webpage on PBS website ^ | © 2002 Educational Broadcasting Corporation | John Uhl; Thirteen/WNET New York.

Posted on 10/01/2005 4:17:14 PM PDT by Captain Rhino

Certainly, it's hard to know whether to trust the allegations in the writings of Tacitus. Yet, what about the explanation offered by Nero, that the Christians were to blame? At least one scholar believes Nero was on the mark. Professor Gerhard Baudy of the University of Konstanz in Germany has spent fifteen years studying ancient apocalyptic prophecies. His studies have shown that in the poor districts of Rome, Christians were circulating vengeful texts predicting that a raging inferno would to reduce the city to ashes. "In all of these oracles, the destruction of Rome by fire is prophesied," Baudy explains. "That is the constant theme: Rome must burn. This was the long-desired objective of all the people who felt subjugated by Rome."

Moreover, the Book of Revelations, written a mere 30 years later, seems to equate evil with Rome. The Whore of Babylon, the source of this evil according to Revelations, is described as having seven heads. "The seven heads are seven mountains," Revelations says. Rome, of course, is famously known as the city of seven hills. What's more, an ancient Egyptian prophesy that would have been well-known in the Christian quarters of Rome foretold the fall of the great evil city on the day that the dog star, Sirius, rises. In 64 AD, Sirius rose on July 19, the very day the great fire of Rome began. Baudy believes that, bearing this prophetic date in mind, some of the Christians, maltreated and embittered, may have started the fire -- or perhaps lit additional fires, adding fuel to the larger conflagration -- in hopes of realizing their prophesies.

Regardless, over two hundred years would pass before the Christians escaped the kind of persecution they endured under Nero.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ancientrome; ancientworld; antichristian; antichristianbias; christianity; defundpbs; godsgravesglyphs; greatfire; history; leftistbias; liberalmedia; mediabias; pbs; propaganda; revelationnos; rome
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This episode is currently showing on PBS in the Washington DC area. The last third of the episode is devoted to the "theory" expounded by Professor Gerhard Baudy. Despite his "15 years of research" nothing is offered to support his theories except three very short out of context quotes from the Book of Revelations and a lot of really irresponsible speculation. The text above is mild compared to the dialogue in the television program which states flatly at the conclusion of the "maybe the Christians did do it" portion that subsequent persecution of Christians was not a persecution at all but Nero simply giving the Christians the punishment they deserved for arson. There was no nuance in the presentation nor was there any attempt present rebuttal evidence. Since this episode was the last in the program, it psychologically has the most lasting impact. I encourage anyone else interested in either the presentation of propaganda as history or in Christianity, to view this episode and draw their own conclusions. I intend to write both the series and PBS concerning this episode which I interpret to be a very slanted bit of anti-Christian propaganda.
1 posted on 10/01/2005 4:17:16 PM PDT by Captain Rhino
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To: Captain Rhino
a very slanted bit of anti-Christian propaganda

Pretty much par for the course at PBS, I'm afraid. But I agree that it will do no harm to complain. And it wouldn't hurt to protest to your congressperson and senators as well. Why should the taxpayers continue funding this kind of nonsensical left-wing propaganda?

2 posted on 10/01/2005 4:23:49 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Captain Rhino

"very slanted bit of anti-Christian propaganda."


Probably, given the source, but they may be right.

Of course, from what I've read of Roman history, I still believe it was that egotistial, sociopath Nero.


3 posted on 10/01/2005 4:28:39 PM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: Captain Rhino
You mean Bush didn't do it? Then it must have been Haluburtan!
4 posted on 10/01/2005 4:30:11 PM PDT by pikachu (Be Alert! We need more lerts!)
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To: Captain Rhino

This episode has been around for years. I saw it at least four or five years ago. Had the same reaction as you. There was no evidence offered -- only a passage or two from Revelations that was suggested would furnish a rationale for Christians to commit arson. All the christian injunctions against murder, in the Gospels, were ignored -. I thought it was a scandalous anti-christian propaganda show at the time. And it certainly can't pass as a serious work of history, as it's speculation totally, from first to last. Sad to hear that some stations are still running it.


5 posted on 10/01/2005 4:33:19 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Blzbba
but they may be right. """

Based on what evidence? The "perfesser" who is cited offers none.

6 posted on 10/01/2005 4:34:08 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: pikachu

Given President Bush's somewhat patrician background, I'm sure the Democratic National Committee opposition research section is pouring through the ancient sources right now to see if they can establish a causal link.


7 posted on 10/01/2005 4:36:10 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
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To: pikachu

Haliburtinus....


8 posted on 10/01/2005 4:42:03 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Nagin Cried, People died.)
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To: Captain Rhino
"In all of these oracles, the destruction of Rome by fire is prophesied," Baudy explains.

In all what oracles? If you accept a source-critical theory for production of Revelation which suggests it was made up of pre-existing fragments, then these may have been floating around somewhere. But I'd want to see the manuscript evidence first, and then to hear how the fragments got from Rome to Asia Minor.

Finally, of course, there is the matter of internal evidence. For example, Rev 17:16 has the Great Whore being eaten by the ten kings and then burned. Doesn't sound like the Christian ghetto at all.

9 posted on 10/01/2005 4:51:18 PM PDT by aBootes
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To: pikachu

Frutex fecerunt


10 posted on 10/01/2005 4:51:26 PM PDT by mhx
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To: churchillbuff
I have begun to watch a bit more of PBS the past couple of months after acquiring an HDTV. There is a specific HDTV feed of PBS that frequently shows episodes of Secrets of the Dead and History Detectives. I have found myself tuning in because, in HDTV in widesceen, the shows look so darned good.

The only episode of Secrets of the Dead that I watched in its entirety involved the Shroud of Turin, and I have to say, a fairly convincing case was made for its authenticity as Christ's burial shroud. So, at the very least, PBs seems inconsistent on that show when it comes to Christian bashing.

They are no worse IMO than A & E or The History Channel. Those networks have continually debunked Christianity for years with their "Secrets of the Bible" programs.

11 posted on 10/01/2005 4:53:41 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Meadows Place, TX- "Tom Delay Country")
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To: churchillbuff

"Based on what evidence? The "perfesser" who is cited offers none"


No, he's only cited the equivalent of heresay.

But then, there's no real 'evidence' that Nero did it either. The entire thing is pure speculation at best, and isn't worth getting upset over either way, IMO.


12 posted on 10/01/2005 5:02:25 PM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: Captain Rhino

Everyone knows he was not a Centurion but only served
in the Texitus Guardia Civil. Just ask D.Rathurus.


13 posted on 10/01/2005 5:03:22 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Haliburtinus..

Gadzhuntite!

Actually the Democrat logic will go like thus: Rome was burned and FEMA did not respond quickly. Mayor Nagini Blamenotmeo and Govenor Mindis Blanko clamed they were told by Halucinatus Frarakani that someone used the Roman version of dynamite ona Jewis couple named Levy.

14 posted on 10/01/2005 5:14:10 PM PDT by pikachu (Be Alert! We need more lerts!)
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To: pikachu

Son of Satirenus, you have done well.


15 posted on 10/01/2005 5:17:36 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Nagin Cried, People died.)
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To: Captain Rhino
What's more, an ancient Egyptian prophesy that would have been well-known in the Christian quarters of Rome foretold the fall of the great evil city on the day that the dog star, Sirius, rises. In 64 AD, Sirius rose on July 19, the very day the great fire of Rome began. Baudy believes that, bearing this prophetic date in mind, some of the Christians, maltreated and embittered, may have started the fire -- or perhaps lit additional fires, adding fuel to the larger conflagration -- in hopes of realizing their prophesies.

Wow. What famous Egyptian prophecy, why would Christians be familiar with it, why would they pay attention to pagan oracles and oh, doesn't Sirus rise every night, just at different times and different points on the horizon?
16 posted on 10/01/2005 5:36:29 PM PDT by SalukiLawyer
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To: Captain Rhino

He been watching BARABBAS with Anthony Quinn too many times.


17 posted on 10/01/2005 5:42:29 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Sans-Culotte
The only episode of Secrets of the Dead that I watched in its entirety involved the Shroud of Turin, and I have to say, a fairly convincing case was made for its authenticity as Christ's burial shroud. So, at the very least, PBs seems inconsistent on that show when it comes to Christian bashing.

I doubt it has anything to do with Christianity, pro or con. This program just likes to argue for the most sensational "findings" that it can.

18 posted on 10/01/2005 5:47:15 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: Captain Rhino

I remember seeing that and thinking the same thing as you. I think this German guy is just an anti-Christian bigot and wants to smear Christians without basis. Christians of thee early centuries certainly expected the end times, but there is very little incident of purposely fomented violence, as opposed to the periodic violent persecution of Christians by the imperial regime.


19 posted on 10/01/2005 6:24:22 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: SpringheelJack

The episode of Secrets of the Dead about the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem was also quite respectful and interesting.


20 posted on 10/01/2005 6:27:11 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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