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This Brower guy in the lede seems vaguely familiar ... :-) I wanted to post this to the Bang list; is putting it in the Keywords enough? I'm not exactly a power-user here.
1 posted on 10/01/2005 5:54:24 AM PDT by hemogoblin
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To: hemogoblin

Why does the "O.K. Corral" get such bad press? Seems to me it was very civilized to have a place where men could resolve their disputes themselves, without involving or threatening the entire community. At least the participants in that famous confrontation did it privately. A more aggregious example would be as portrayed in the film "High Noon", where the antagonists used the town as a shooting gallery, endangering all citizens not neccessarily involved in the dispute.


39 posted on 10/01/2005 7:51:24 AM PDT by montag813
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They've made that claim in every state where concealed carry has been proposed. Not once has it happened.

You'd think that paranoia lode would have played out.

40 posted on 10/01/2005 7:59:43 AM PDT by IronJack
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More guns in the hands of non criminals = less crime. Then add this twist re self protection, and there will be even less crime.

Then add a two strikes law (3 is too many) to really take the trash off the street, and Floriduh might become a really safe state for the non criminals.


41 posted on 10/01/2005 8:01:19 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: hemogoblin

As usual, the Brady idiots are showing their hoplophobic ignorance. I guess it's a waste of time to try to tell them that when citizens are armed, crime goes down.


44 posted on 10/01/2005 8:09:38 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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But others who feel uneasy about the legislation say it could turn Florida into the Wild West

The anti-gun media has used that old saw for so long it's grown whiskers. When I was living in FL during the time we were trying to get a shall issue CCW law passed the FL media was in a continuous frenzy over the idea of civilians carrying concealed guns. After a Democrat governor vetoed the first bill that was passed, a Republican governor (Martinez) was elected and signed into law the next CCW bill that was passed.

When that law was finally enacted over the furious opposition from the leftist media and the national anti-gun gang the local Tampa Bay media became even more frenzied in their attacks on the new law, the legislature, the governor, and anyone else who had a hand in getting it enacted. If I heard or read phrases such as "wild west shootouts on our sidewalks", or "gun-toting vigilantes", or "shootouts on our highways", or "gunslingers in the mall" once I must have seen and heard them five hundred times.

Of course no such things ever occurred, and as could have been predicted by a rational media, FL's serious crime rate went down every year thereafter.

The Sarasota H-T is a NY times owned rag which was second only to the St. Pete Times in hysterically attacking the FL CCW law, so it doesn't surprise me at all that it is still using those same tired old cliches to attack the new "Stand Your Ground" law. I only wish that the state I now live (GA) in would enact a similar law. People should be able to defend their families and themselves without fear of being sued into bankruptcy by the dead or injured criminal and/or his relatives.

49 posted on 10/01/2005 8:41:51 AM PDT by epow ("Truth, however disenchanting, is better than falsehood, however comforting.". Schwietzer)
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Gun law critics fear state will become O.K. Corral

By LATISHA R. GRAY


This 'article' adds further proof to my hypothesis, to wit ....

According to "Union Rules", every article now written and published in the USA that is firearms related MUST be written by some ditz reporterette who wouldn't know a Colt Single Action Army from a Howitzer if it bit her in the butt.

Oh... and Union Rule #2: any firearm that is not a handgun automatically becomes an Assault Rifle if used in a crime. (hello Laurie Dhue, you brain dead bimbo)

60 posted on 10/01/2005 9:36:51 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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Visitors to the state get wide-eyed when they hear about the new law.

....With happily surprised amazement, I hope.
I plan on retiring to Florida, and since I always keep myself armed no matter what the law says, it's nice to know that now I won't be a criminal in Florida simply for being prepared to defend myself and my family. Against real criminals.

62 posted on 10/01/2005 9:45:09 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, is warning tourists to stay away from Florida for their own safety. in a cynical attempt to punish Florida for passing a law they don't like...
65 posted on 10/01/2005 9:51:42 AM PDT by papertyger
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One national group, The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, is warning tourists to stay away from Florida for their own safety.

Instead, they recommend that tourists go to places with strict gun-control laws, like Washington, DC.

74 posted on 10/01/2005 10:11:05 AM PDT by Terabitten (God grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who have gone before me.)
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Do those assholes not realize that the only people who believe their lies anymore are idiots?


80 posted on 10/01/2005 10:27:13 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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The "Stand Your Ground" law says instead of running, people who fear for their lives have the right to defend themselves -- no matter where they are.

Only suicidal, emotional misfits would not want to defend themselves and their family. Who, in their right mind, would want to visit a place full of that kind of human tripe?

One national group, The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, is warning tourists to stay away from Florida for their own safety. Visitors to the state get wide-eyed when they hear about the new law.

Yeah, "wide-eyed" with anticipation of seeing and, for a time, living with those free Americans who openly demonstrate their love of liberty. Those who visit my state have told me this many times.

83 posted on 10/01/2005 10:44:14 AM PDT by eskimo
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These people are NEVER right about the effects of citizens with guns. With all the concealed-carries that got passed, just name ONE PLACE where it turned into Blood Bath Central. To continually ignore these facts simply weakens all their arguments over the rest of the gun issues, therefore I encourage them to writing such drivel.


90 posted on 10/01/2005 11:04:15 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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99 posted on 10/01/2005 12:20:26 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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JOE BROWER IS THE MAN!


129 posted on 10/01/2005 9:23:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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The law applies in the HOME not to action on the streets. What does is drop an intervening requirement that you have flee or retreat BEFORE you can defend yourself. In your own home you should be able to stand your ground to protect what is after all your castle, right? That's common sense. But not to the Brady bunch gun banners inflamed with hatred of law-abiding gun owners to the point they are willing to lie to destroy Florida's image, the rights of its citizens and frighten foreign tourists about their safety. You would think liberals would take a moment to read the law but that's too much to expect.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
143 posted on 10/01/2005 11:01:23 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Here's the context for the new law in an NRA background release from April of this year:

Fairfax, VA – Today, in a ceremony at the state capitol, Gov. Jeb Bush signed Florida’s “Castle Doctrine” (SB-436) into law. Sponsored by Senator Durell Peaden and Representative Dennis Baxley, the bill unanimously passed the Senate and overwhelmingly passed in the House, 94-20.

Prior to signing the National Rifle Association (NRA) supported bill, Gov. Jeb Bush stated, "It`s a good, commonsense, anti-crime issue."

The "Castle Doctrine" simply says that if a criminal breaks into your home, your occupied vehicle or your place of business, you may presume he is there to do bodily harm and you may use any force against him.

It also removes the “duty to retreat” if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be.

Furthermore, this law provides protection from criminal prosecution and civil litigation for those who defend themselves from criminal attack.

Past National Rifle Association (NRA) president and current Executive Director of Unified Sportsmen of Florida, Marion P. Hammer, stated, "Existing law is on the side of the criminal. The new law is on the side of the law-abiding victim.”

She continued, “To suggest that you can`t defend yourself against a rapist who`s trying to drag you into an alley or against a carjacker who`s trying to drag you out of your car is nonsense. The ability to protect yourself, your children, or your spouse is important, no matter where you are.

“I want to thank Governor Bush and the bill sponsors, Sen. Peaden and Rep. Baxley, for supporting this vital measure. This law is about affirming that your home is your castle and, in Florida, you have a right to be absolutely safe inside its walls,” Hammer concluded.

Great pro-victim rights law. It lets you defend yourself where you have a legitimate right to be without having to take leave of the premises. Why should a criminal have the right to be there? No, the Brady gun banners don't get it - common sense is beyond them.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
150 posted on 10/01/2005 11:20:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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just out of curiousity, can the florida tourism board (if there is such a thing) sue the brady group for loss of income if they see a drop in profits due to brady groups accusations?


161 posted on 10/03/2005 6:28:02 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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One national group, The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, is warning tourists to stay away from Florida for their own safety

Unless those tourists are going to Florida with the intent to commit a forcible felony on a citizen of the state, they have nothing to worry about under Florida's lethal-force statutes. The Brady Center for Utter Dishonesty and Distortion knows this, of course.

162 posted on 10/03/2005 6:32:27 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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