Hurricane Rita Live Thread, Part IV

Category	Wind Speed	Barometric Pressure	Storm Surge	Damage Potential
Tropical Depression	< 39 mph < 34 kts			Minimal
Tropical Storm	39 - 73 mph 34 - 63 kts			Minimal
Hurricane 1 (Weak)	74 - 95 mph 64 - 82 kts	28.94" or more 980.02 mb or more	4.0' - 5.0' 1.2 m - 1.5 m	Minimal damage to vegetation
Hurricane 2 (Moderate)	96 - 110 mph 83 - 95 kts	28.50" - 28.93" 965.12 mb - 979.68 mb	6.0' - 8.0' 1.8 m - 2.4 m	Moderate damage to houses
Hurricane 3 (Strong)	111 - 130 mph 96 - 112 kts	27.91" - 28.49" 945.14 mb - 964.78 mb	9.0' - 12.0' 2.7 m - 3.7 m	Extensive damage to small buildings
Hurricane 4 (Very strong)	131 - 155 mph 113 - 135 kts	27.17" - 27.90" 920.08 mb - 944.80 mb	13.0' - 18.0' 3.9 m - 5.5 m	Extreme structural damage
Hurricane 5 (Devastating)	Greater than 155 mph Greater than 135 kts	Less than 27.17" Less than 920.08 mb	Greater than 18.0' Greater than 5.5m	Catastrophic building failures possible

Yup.

The part they won't tell the world is that Texans *will* do that anyway, and reduce the load on the police. My neighbors (in Dallas!) have already talked to me about mutual defense and neighborhood patrols if needed.

2,501 posted on 09/22/2005 2:41:57 PM PDT by Spktyr (Dallas TX (Overwhelminglysuperiorfirepowerandthewillingnesstouseitistheonlyprovenpeacesolution))

Take 45 up to Dallas, that the storm stays within 35 miles of I-45 to Dallas, gets up there Sun. night or Monday.

I take it he hasn't looked at a map since yesterday? Since this morning, the tracks have been showing it going well to the east of there - more toward the I-69 corridor.

2,502 posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:25 PM PDT by PAR35

Damn straight.

So says my H&K .45.

2,503 posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:25 PM PDT by Airborne Longhorn

The radioactive fallout would be blown far and wide.

2,504 posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:40 PM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)

To: nobody in particular

re: Coleman stove use indoors..

What about a campfire? If I open the windows would it be safe to build a campfire?

2,505 posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:41 PM PDT by SGCOS

That would add to the fun! How about Idaho? They just had a 3-something north of Boise.

Now if could arrange for an eruption of Mt. Rainier...

2,506 posted on 09/22/2005 2:42:52 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)

The good news is that in Dallas the mayor is mostly a figurehead anyway - and Miller's "strong mayor" idea got shot down roundly.

2,507 posted on 09/22/2005 2:43:00 PM PDT by Spktyr (Dallas TX (Overwhelminglysuperiorfirepowerandthewillingnesstouseitistheonlyprovenpeacesolution))

We use propane to cook with, to heat our hot water and in the fireplace. And we run a line from the same tank to the BBQ.

2,508 posted on 09/22/2005 2:43:29 PM PDT by pgkdan

Judge N. on Fox. Texas homeowners can use deadly force by statute. Police have right on to rely on collective force of neighborhoods to police the neighborhood if the police can't do so.

Yep. We can use lethal force to protect our property, and we can, collectively, protect our neighborhoods with lethal force if the police or NG can't do it.

That second mission is the reason you won't see police or NG taking our weapons away.

We are the second line of defense.

There won't be much looting. Count on it.

2,509 posted on 09/22/2005 2:44:08 PM PDT by sinkspur (Just west of DFW Airport. We can take in four or five and two dogs.)

Laugh... I know what you mean... Nagin drives me nuts too.. I always end up turning him off!

2,510 posted on 09/22/2005 2:44:13 PM PDT by pamlet

To: WoodstockCat

Is Blizted berating him for missing Katrina or does he just want to know about Rita not making a hard north turn?

It wasn't anything like berating. He just only wanted Mayfield to talk about how Rita will affect New Orleans. It was just weird because Mayfield wanted to talk about Rita's landing and forecast track and Wolf kept asking questions about New Orleans as if that were the only story here.

2,511 posted on 09/22/2005 2:44:14 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)

Whatever to do, DO NOT use barbecue biscuits to cook with in the house.

2,512 posted on 09/22/2005 2:44:37 PM PDT by mware (Keeper of the I's)

To: eastforker; mitchbert

This is a text lift that's standard in Coleman instruction manuals:

CARBON MONOXIDE HAZARD • This appliance can produce carbon monoxide which has no odor. • Using it in an enclosed space can kill you. • Never use this appliance in an enclosed space such as a camper, tent, car or home.

With thanks to Mitchbert.

Eastforker, please don't yell. Thank you.

2,513 posted on 09/22/2005 2:44:49 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)

Judge N worded it differently when he was asked about it again so I am not sure the case law on this. It seems to me he said at one point something to the effect that the neighbors have the duty to police the neighborhood.

Having a duty is different than having the right I would think. So I am not sure exactly what the deal is in texas when the police can't police a neighborhood.

2,514 posted on 09/22/2005 2:45:10 PM PDT by RummyChick

To: Types_with_Fist

Got to remind you again:;)
for MSM, New Orleans is the only story here.

2,515 posted on 09/22/2005 2:45:31 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)

Based on the Vortex messages from 1500Z to 2032Z, I'm inferring that Rita appears to be going over pockets of "cooler" water, and its playing havoc with the her thermodynamics. As a result she's losing entrainment, forced subsidence is weak, inner eye-wall edge boundry layer mixing is causing the humidity in the eye to increase (is already rather high), inner/outter eye temps are going down. And it seems she's struggling with EWRC. Even so, she's pretty much near full MPI.

I believe the critical point will be near 92W 27N, as whatever she has left at that point she should retain until landfall. While it appears there's a cold core high over Mexico, guidance offers no suggestion that the upper low will influence Rita in some trough-like fashion. Furthermore, the northern 2/3 of the storm is subject to shearing force approx 15 m/s. This is above the standard threshold accepted for intensification (< 10 m/s). Therefor, at this time, I'm skeptical of any significant increase in intensity from here on out.

Nevertheless, environmental conditions steadily improve from the above mentioned coordinates onwards to landfall. These environmental conditions should offset the increasingly degrading influence of approaching land (so whatever she has at those co-ordinates will be all she will be).

URNT12 KNHC 221500Z
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 22/1449Z
B. 25 DEG 18 MIN N
88 DEG 38 MIN W
C. 700 MB 2326 M
D. NA
E. NA
F. 121 DEG 135 KT
G. 35 DEG 13 NM
H. 913 MB
I. 18 C/ 3058 M
J. 22 C/ 3050 M
K. 14 C/ NA
L. OPEN SE
M. C017-55
N. 12345/7
O. 1/1 NM
P. NOAA3 1818A RITA OB 05
MAX FL WIND 135 KT NE QUAD 1446Z

URNT12 KNHC 221655Z
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 22/1619Z
B. 25 DEG 26 MIN N
88 DEG 49 MIN W
C. 700 MB 2338 M
D. 80
E. 135 DEG 15 NM
F. 211 DEG 120 KT
G. 119 DEG 11 NM
H. 915 MB
I. 12 C/ 3048 M
J. 20 C/ 3057 M
K. 16 C/ NA
L. OPEN SE
M. C018-45
N. 12345/7
O. 1/1 NM
P. NOAA3 1818A RITA OB 17
MAX FL WIND 135 KT NE QUAD 1446Z
EXCELLENT RADAR PRESENTATION, SFC CENTER OBSCURED

URNT12 KNHC 221825Z
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 22/1745Z
B. 25 DEG 34 MIN N
89 DEG 01 MIN W
C. 700 MB 2333 M
D. NA
E. NA
F. 300 DEG 120 KT
G. 200 DEG 08 NM
H. 914 MB
I. 12 C/ 3050 M
J. 21 C/ 3056 M
K. 16 C/ NA
L. OPEN SE
M. C015-50
N. 12345/7
O. 1/1 NM
P. NOAA3 1818A RITA OB 29
MAX FL WIND 125 KT NE QUAD 1754Z

URNT12 KNHC 221939
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 22/19:22:40Z
B. 25 deg 44 min N
089 deg 15 min W
C. NA mb NA m
D. NA kt
E. NA deg nm
F. 149 deg 122 kt
G. 062 deg 012 nm
H. EXTRAP 914 mb
I. 9 C/ 3658 m
J. 17 C/ 3658 m
K. 10 C/ NA
L. OPEN E
M. C16
N. 12345/NA
O. 0.02 / 1 nm
P. AF306 WX18A RITA01 OB 02
MAX FL WIND 122 KT NE QUAD 19:19:30 Z

URNT12 KNHC 221948Z
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 22/1913Z
B. 25 DEG 44 MIN N
89 DEG 13 MIN W
C. 700 MB 2329 M
D. NA
E. NA
F. 43 DEG 133 KT
G. 309 DEG 10 NM
H. 913 MB
I. 13 C/ 3059 M
J. 20 C/ 3044 M
K. 16 C/ NA
L. OPEN NE-SE
M. C018-48
N. 12345/7
O. 1/1 NM
P. NOAA3 1818A RITA OB 37
MAX FL WIND 133 KT NW QUAD 1910Z
EXCELLENT RADAR PRESENTATION

URNT12 KNHC 222032
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 22/20:20:10Z
B. 25 deg 49 min N
089 deg 22 min W
C. NA mb NA m
D. NA kt
E. NA deg nm
F. 221 deg 111 kt
G. 134 deg 010 nm
H. EXTRAP 913 mb
I. 10 C/ 3658 m
J. 16 C/ 3654 m
K. 11 C/ NA
L. CLOSED WALL
M. C17
N. 12345/NA
O. 0.02 / 1 nm
P. AF306 WX18A RITA01 OB 05
MAX FL WIND 122 KT NE QUAD 19:19:30 Z

2,516 posted on 09/22/2005 2:45:31 PM PDT by raygun

Lots of people use propane exactly as you've described. Here's an interesting fact about propane that most people don't know. When it's in the tank sitting under your charcoaler. Or outside your house.... it's under a constant state of boil. It's boiling feverisly. That's what creates the pressure inside the tank. To make it stop boiling you would have to lower the temperature inside of the tank to -39 degrees. So on a nice hot afternoon the pressure on the tank is typically around 220# psi.

2,517 posted on 09/22/2005 2:45:42 PM PDT by kjam22

Couldn't tell you (didn't catch that local report, and even if I did, I can't properly evaluate it).

2,518 posted on 09/22/2005 2:45:48 PM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)

I'll see if I can find it again, and ping you to it.

2,519 posted on 09/22/2005 2:45:55 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)

I hope you are using a CO detector.

2,520 posted on 09/22/2005 2:46:38 PM PDT by Howlin (Yeah, I'm a BushBot.....so what?)

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