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Tropical Storm Rita Discussion (NOAA Discussion -- please pray)
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Posted on 09/19/2005 12:34:29 AM PDT by topher

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WTNT43 KNHC 190307
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TROPICAL STORM RITA DISCUSSION NUMBER 5
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT SUN SEP 18 2005

THE LAST RECON REPORT AT 17/2324Z INDICATED MAXIMUM RELIABLE 850 MB FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS OF ABOUT 55 KT...OR ROUGHLY 44 KT SURFACE WINDS. THERE WAS ONE FLIGHT-LEVEL REPORT OF 67 KT...BUT THIS OCCURRED DURING CLIMBOUT TO A HIGHER ALTITUDE TO AVOID TURBULENCE...AND IS THEREFORE NOT DEEMED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACTUAL WIND FIELD. SINCE THE LAST RECON FLIGHT...CLOUD TOPS HAVE WARMED NEAR THE CIRCULATION CENTER...SO THE INTENSITY IS BEING HELD AT 45 KT.

THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS 300/09. RITA HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MOVING OR PROPAGATING NORTHWESTWARD THE PAST 6 TO 9 HOURS. THIS MOTION MAY BE DUE TO THE CENTER REFORMING CLOSER TO THE DEEP CONVECTION...OR ACTUAL MOVEMENT TOWARD A WEAKER BREAK IN THE MID-LEVEL RIDGE LOCATED ALONG 75W LONGITUDE. ALSO...AN UPPER-LEVEL LOW PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR JAMAICA HAS MOVED NORTHWESTWARD TO NEAR CAYMAN BRAC AND HAS NOT WEAKENED LIKE THE GLOBAL MODELS HAVE BEEN FORECASTING. THE COMBINATION OF THE SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW ON THE EAST SIDE OF UPPER LOW...COMBINED WITH THE SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF A LARGE MID-LEVEL RIDGE LOCATED EAST OF BERMUDA...SHOULD STEER RITA IN A GENERAL WEST-NORTHWESTWARD MOTION FOR THE NEXT 12 TO PERHAPS 24 HOURS. AFTER THAT...ALL OF THE GLOBAL AND REGIONAL MODELS AGREE THAT THE LARGE MID-LEVEL RIDGE THAT EXTENDS ALONG THE GULF COAST FROM A HIGH CENTER OVER LOUISIANA WILL GRADUALLY BUILD EASTWARD AND TURN RITA WESTWARD. HOWEVER...THE SAME MODELS ALSO AGREE THAT THE HEIGHTS WILL NOT INCREASE ACROSS SOUTHERN FLORIDA AND...IN FACT... HEIGHTS FROM 700 MB TO 400 MB HAVE NOT INCREASED ACROSS SOUTH FLORIDA DURING THE PAST 24 HOURS...BUT THE WIND SPEEDS HAVE DECREASED. THIS ALL SUGGESTS THAT THE EASTERN EXTENT OF THE RIDGE EAST OF FLORIDA MAY NOT BE AS STRONG AS INDICATED IN THE MODEL FIELDS. AS SUCH...THERE MAY A NORTHWARD SHIFT IN THE MODEL GUIDANCE TRACKS IN THE 00Z MODEL RUNS. HOWEVER...WITH SUCH A LARGE AND STRONG RIDGE IN PLACE ACROSS THE GULF COAST...RITA SHOULD GRADUALLY EVENTUALLY MOVE WESTWARD ACROSS THE CENTRAL GULF AND INTO THE WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO BY THE END OF THE PERIOD. THE OFFICIAL TRACK WAS SHIFTED TO THE RIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS FORECAST TO ACCOUNT FOR THE MORE NORTHWARD INITIAL POSITION. THIS NORTHWARD SHIFT HAS REQUIRED THE PREVIOUS WATCHES FOR THE FLORIDA KEYS AND SOUTH FLORIDA TO BE UPGRADED TO HURRICANE AND TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS.

THE VERTICAL SHEAR IS NOW FORECAST BY ALL OF THE MODELS TO GRADUALLY DECREASE FROM THE CURRENT 15 KT DOWN TO LESS THAN 5 KT BY 36-72 HOURS. THIS SHOULD ALLOW FOR SOME SIGNIFICANT STRENGTHENING TO COCUR...ESPECIALLY SINCE RITA WILL BE OVER 30C SSTS AND IMPRESSIVE POLEWARD OUTFLOW PATTERN WILL BE MAINTAINED. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST FOLLOWS THE TREND OF THE SHIPS...GFDL...AND FSU SUPER ENSEMBLE MODELS...WHICH ALL BRING THE CYCLONE TO MAJOR HURRICANE STRENGTH...AT LEAST 100 KT...BY 72 HOURS.

FORECASTER STEWART

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 19/0300Z 22.9N 73.3W 45 KT
12HR VT 19/1200Z 23.4N 75.1W 50 KT
24HR VT 20/0000Z 24.1N 77.5W 60 KT
36HR VT 20/1200Z 24.3N 80.1W 75 KT
48HR VT 21/0000Z 24.2N 83.0W 90 KT
72HR VT 22/0000Z 24.1N 88.5W 100 KT
96HR VT 23/0000Z 24.5N 92.0W 100 KT
120HR VT 24/0000Z 26.5N 95.5W 100 KT


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Louisiana; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2005hurricane; hurricanerita; rita; weather
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To: Spktyr; glock rocks

The veneer of civilization is thin, but nowhere near as thin as New Orleans post-Katrina would indicate. The problem with New Orleans was that all the people that keep things in order had evacuated. So, what you had left were people without all that much civilization to begin with..


41 posted on 09/19/2005 5:08:05 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: topher

Mayor Nagin saw the weather report and is adamant that the evacuees should return to New Orleans ASAP. (sarcasm)


42 posted on 09/19/2005 5:11:30 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: Dane

I wonder what all those New Orleans people who fled to Houston are thinking.


43 posted on 09/19/2005 5:12:45 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
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To: topher

Seems like the greatest danger is for Texas and Louisiana. Can't imagine that it will be more than a minimal hurricane when it hits the Keys.


44 posted on 09/19/2005 5:12:47 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Panerai

It's from the NOAA website. The federal government can't afford shift keys due to the money they're putting into Katrina relief ops.


45 posted on 09/19/2005 5:28:27 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: topher

Good thing I went this last weekend instead of next weekend to pick up my boat in Houston. This storm should bring Oklahoma City some much needed rain.


46 posted on 09/19/2005 5:32:29 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Howlin
Sorry, I did a search for the title Rita, but did not do a search by post time.

I saw a number of Rita Crosby threads...

47 posted on 09/19/2005 5:36:28 AM PDT by topher (America the Beautiful! May God continue to bless our great country!)
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To: Guenevere

The keys are still at risk.


48 posted on 09/19/2005 5:38:55 AM PDT by TaxRelief (follow the money...)
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To: Spktyr
... I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to stock up on fuel for the generator and more shotgun shells as well as food if that thing gets any stronger.

I heard recently that 3 out of 10 of the dead bodies found for Katrina (I believe in New Orleans) had either slit throats or gunshot wounds... This really bothered me last night... I can't name the source (I went to HS/College in Southwest/Southcentral Lousiana).

49 posted on 09/19/2005 5:42:07 AM PDT by topher (America the Beautiful! May God continue to bless our great country!)
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To: SVTCobra03
Good thing I went this last weekend instead of next weekend to pick up my boat in Houston. This storm should bring Oklahoma City some much needed rain.

I don't mind the storm bringing in much needed rain -- I am just very concerned about the offshore oil/natural gas getting shut in again... Maybe land rigs should be looking for more natural gas in deep wells in Oklahoma/North Louisiana/Kansas, etc.

50 posted on 09/19/2005 5:45:32 AM PDT by topher (Pray! Pray! Pray!)
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To: TaxRelief

I wonder if Ophelia cooled off the Atlantic Ocean waters by not figuring out where that storm was going to go -- sucking all the energy and heat out of the water...


51 posted on 09/19/2005 5:47:05 AM PDT by topher (Pray! Pray! Pray!)
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To: Spktyr
Hm, isn't this the one that was supposed to be heading straight for Mexico?

There is no supposed to when a storm hasn't even become a hurricane yet, more less 8-10 days out. What you hear from the NOAA and other media with a storm this far away are merely educated guesses. At around 4 days things start to firm up a bit with the "cone of uncertainty" becoming better defined. I'm not saying that they're always wrong 8-10 days out, but it's too much to ask for them to be right then. Once Rita passes the Florida Straights, they will have a better idea on where the storm might come ashore.

52 posted on 09/19/2005 5:52:36 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Bushbacker1
Rita appears to be taking a similar track to Katrina. Not that I wish bad on anyone, but I hope it continues west and hits in Mexico. We in Florida and the Gulf Coast have had more than enough of our share of hurricanes in the past two years. Somebody else's turn.

This is going to be hard on the Katrina evacuee's and people helping to host them in Texas... Hitting the other half (Western Gulf) of oil production offshore would not be very good...

53 posted on 09/19/2005 5:52:59 AM PDT by topher (Pray! Pray! Pray!)
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To: numberonepal

Still, it may be a good idea to think about moving those cruise ships and tankers over a bit closer to the FL coast.


54 posted on 09/19/2005 6:09:02 AM PDT by TaxRelief (follow the money...)
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To: TaxRelief
Still, it may be a good idea to think about moving those cruise ships and tankers over a bit closer to the FL coast.

It's definitely time to "get your ears on" if you are in the cone.

55 posted on 09/19/2005 6:16:46 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: topher
I wonder if Ophelia cooled off the Atlantic Ocean waters by not figuring out where that storm was going to go -- sucking all the energy and heat out of the water...

While Katrina seemed to have less effect on surface water temperatures, Ophelia did seem to suck up the cooler deeper water. The gulf stream has since pushed warmer water back up into the affected coastal areas.

56 posted on 09/19/2005 6:17:05 AM PDT by TaxRelief (follow the money...)
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To: Panerai
There must have been a lot of really annoyed people 25 years ago when all caps was the only option on most computers.

Sheesh, the things that some people choose to get annoyed about.

57 posted on 09/19/2005 6:21:15 AM PDT by flada (Y2K? What are you selling, chicken or sex jelly?)
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To: Spktyr

But we are assured daily that religion is superfluous in our modern world. Man was made in God's likeness. For a reason. To elevate him above the rank of animal. Animals are amoral feeders. Man is better than this. But the agnostics would have you believe we are hard wired for morality. Yeah right.


58 posted on 09/19/2005 11:43:32 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: topher

Seems like there was a movie once that was written on the premise a lot of scores would get evened under the aspices of a hurricane.


59 posted on 09/19/2005 11:45:14 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: kinghorse

Quick correction - agnostics do not know if there is a God, but do not deny it as a possibility. It's the atheists that deny the existence of a God.


60 posted on 09/19/2005 11:46:27 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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