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Tropical Storm Rita Discussion (NOAA Discussion -- please pray)
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Posted on 09/19/2005 12:34:29 AM PDT by topher

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WTNT43 KNHC 190307
TCDAT3
TROPICAL STORM RITA DISCUSSION NUMBER 5
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT SUN SEP 18 2005

THE LAST RECON REPORT AT 17/2324Z INDICATED MAXIMUM RELIABLE 850 MB FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS OF ABOUT 55 KT...OR ROUGHLY 44 KT SURFACE WINDS. THERE WAS ONE FLIGHT-LEVEL REPORT OF 67 KT...BUT THIS OCCURRED DURING CLIMBOUT TO A HIGHER ALTITUDE TO AVOID TURBULENCE...AND IS THEREFORE NOT DEEMED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACTUAL WIND FIELD. SINCE THE LAST RECON FLIGHT...CLOUD TOPS HAVE WARMED NEAR THE CIRCULATION CENTER...SO THE INTENSITY IS BEING HELD AT 45 KT.

THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS 300/09. RITA HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MOVING OR PROPAGATING NORTHWESTWARD THE PAST 6 TO 9 HOURS. THIS MOTION MAY BE DUE TO THE CENTER REFORMING CLOSER TO THE DEEP CONVECTION...OR ACTUAL MOVEMENT TOWARD A WEAKER BREAK IN THE MID-LEVEL RIDGE LOCATED ALONG 75W LONGITUDE. ALSO...AN UPPER-LEVEL LOW PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR JAMAICA HAS MOVED NORTHWESTWARD TO NEAR CAYMAN BRAC AND HAS NOT WEAKENED LIKE THE GLOBAL MODELS HAVE BEEN FORECASTING. THE COMBINATION OF THE SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW ON THE EAST SIDE OF UPPER LOW...COMBINED WITH THE SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF A LARGE MID-LEVEL RIDGE LOCATED EAST OF BERMUDA...SHOULD STEER RITA IN A GENERAL WEST-NORTHWESTWARD MOTION FOR THE NEXT 12 TO PERHAPS 24 HOURS. AFTER THAT...ALL OF THE GLOBAL AND REGIONAL MODELS AGREE THAT THE LARGE MID-LEVEL RIDGE THAT EXTENDS ALONG THE GULF COAST FROM A HIGH CENTER OVER LOUISIANA WILL GRADUALLY BUILD EASTWARD AND TURN RITA WESTWARD. HOWEVER...THE SAME MODELS ALSO AGREE THAT THE HEIGHTS WILL NOT INCREASE ACROSS SOUTHERN FLORIDA AND...IN FACT... HEIGHTS FROM 700 MB TO 400 MB HAVE NOT INCREASED ACROSS SOUTH FLORIDA DURING THE PAST 24 HOURS...BUT THE WIND SPEEDS HAVE DECREASED. THIS ALL SUGGESTS THAT THE EASTERN EXTENT OF THE RIDGE EAST OF FLORIDA MAY NOT BE AS STRONG AS INDICATED IN THE MODEL FIELDS. AS SUCH...THERE MAY A NORTHWARD SHIFT IN THE MODEL GUIDANCE TRACKS IN THE 00Z MODEL RUNS. HOWEVER...WITH SUCH A LARGE AND STRONG RIDGE IN PLACE ACROSS THE GULF COAST...RITA SHOULD GRADUALLY EVENTUALLY MOVE WESTWARD ACROSS THE CENTRAL GULF AND INTO THE WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO BY THE END OF THE PERIOD. THE OFFICIAL TRACK WAS SHIFTED TO THE RIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS FORECAST TO ACCOUNT FOR THE MORE NORTHWARD INITIAL POSITION. THIS NORTHWARD SHIFT HAS REQUIRED THE PREVIOUS WATCHES FOR THE FLORIDA KEYS AND SOUTH FLORIDA TO BE UPGRADED TO HURRICANE AND TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS.

THE VERTICAL SHEAR IS NOW FORECAST BY ALL OF THE MODELS TO GRADUALLY DECREASE FROM THE CURRENT 15 KT DOWN TO LESS THAN 5 KT BY 36-72 HOURS. THIS SHOULD ALLOW FOR SOME SIGNIFICANT STRENGTHENING TO COCUR...ESPECIALLY SINCE RITA WILL BE OVER 30C SSTS AND IMPRESSIVE POLEWARD OUTFLOW PATTERN WILL BE MAINTAINED. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST FOLLOWS THE TREND OF THE SHIPS...GFDL...AND FSU SUPER ENSEMBLE MODELS...WHICH ALL BRING THE CYCLONE TO MAJOR HURRICANE STRENGTH...AT LEAST 100 KT...BY 72 HOURS.

FORECASTER STEWART

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 19/0300Z 22.9N 73.3W 45 KT
12HR VT 19/1200Z 23.4N 75.1W 50 KT
24HR VT 20/0000Z 24.1N 77.5W 60 KT
36HR VT 20/1200Z 24.3N 80.1W 75 KT
48HR VT 21/0000Z 24.2N 83.0W 90 KT
72HR VT 22/0000Z 24.1N 88.5W 100 KT
96HR VT 23/0000Z 24.5N 92.0W 100 KT
120HR VT 24/0000Z 26.5N 95.5W 100 KT


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Louisiana; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2005hurricane; hurricanerita; rita; weather
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To: Dane

Yeah, that looks a lot better. The poor b******* in Brownsville would get it in the shorts again, but that's the about the best place for the thing to go. There's not much there, as you say.


21 posted on 09/19/2005 1:15:25 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: america-rules

Word has a sentence option for upper/lower case. I would think other programs might, as well.


22 posted on 09/19/2005 1:16:23 AM PDT by skr
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To: glock rocks

Thank you for curing the upper-case-itis.


23 posted on 09/19/2005 1:17:41 AM PDT by skr
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To: glock rocks

Oh, I already have a good supply. I was thinking of trade goods and ally support.

Remember the old Civil Defense philosophy (that those militias in NO and MS clearly learned well) - fall back, regroup, ally, organize, advance. If nothing else, NO should have made it clear to everyone that it really *can* happen in any major city, anywhere, at any time.


24 posted on 09/19/2005 1:18:11 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I came to that conclusion when I watched folks scrounging for wood in Serajevo to keep warm (and bury their dead) on tv.

I can imagine a certain amount of nastiness can happen anywhere in the snow belt if the power goes out for more than a few days in winter.

Prepare for the worst. Pray for the best.


25 posted on 09/19/2005 1:24:21 AM PDT by glock rocks (WYGIWYG !)
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To: topher

A 50% chance of being Cat 3 or greater in then next 72 hours. At that point in time Rita would be in the middle of the Gulf and still have a day or two to strengthen. We should hope that she doesn't become an annular hurricane (self sustaining) like Katrina. If that's the case, Rita could go to Cat 5 before landfall.

26 posted on 09/19/2005 1:29:27 AM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: glock rocks

As others have observed, the veneer of civilization is thin.


27 posted on 09/19/2005 1:33:56 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
Hm, isn't this the one that was supposed to be heading straight for Mexico?

The computer models for tropical cyclones are more accurate when the storm is a hurricane vice a tropical depression or a tropical storm. Always expect a lot of error with the earliest forecasts (like with Katrina). But as the storm develops there is less uncertainty and the different models tend to converge.

28 posted on 09/19/2005 1:34:05 AM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: NautiNurse
((( TS RITA ping )))

72 days to go in the season, another storm.

29 posted on 09/19/2005 1:50:13 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: america-rules
It's cut and paste so blame the Gov't !

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT! :)

30 posted on 09/19/2005 1:53:36 AM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)
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To: Dane

Thanks for bringing it up but this map from Accuweather seems rather worthless. It puts the anywhere along a path some 700+ miles from around Galvaston to near Veracruz!

We're far too many days out to know anything more usefully definitive. The models are all over the place.

31 posted on 09/19/2005 2:00:47 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: kingu

The mid level ridge that is along the gulf coast should keep the storm south of the oil rigs off Louisiana's coast. It's close enough to pay attention to but the likelyhood is that the storm will stay south of the main oil platforms in the gulf. Platforms off the central texas coast would have to be shut down though.


32 posted on 09/19/2005 2:06:34 AM PDT by johnmecainrino
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To: topher
Tropical Storm Rita Discussion Number 6

Statement as of 5:00 am EDT on September 19, 2005

 
the new reconaissance aircraft in the system at 07z found that the
pressure had fallen to 999 mb...and first satellite images after
the eclipse show that convection is now wrapping around to the
northwest of the center and has taken a more banded appearance.  A
dropsonde in the northwest quadrant had 44 kt at the surface...with
flight level winds in this quadrant of 57 kt.  The northeast
quadrant has not yet been sampled...and I presume that higher winds
will be found there during the next hour or so.  The initial
intensity is increased to 50 kt.

The last two aircraft fixes indicate an almost due west motion...but
with all the center reformations that have occurred it is difficult
to ascertain a representative motion.  My best judgement is 280/8. 
Rita has already passed the longitude of the break in the
subtropical ridge...and will come under increasing pressure to have
the track nudge to the left.  Furthermore...now that the convection
is becoming a little more symmetric...there should be less
likelihood of additional northward reformations of the center. 
Model guidance adjusted to the current location is very tightly
clustered on a path through the Florida Straits south of Key
West...and I have adjusted the official forecast slightly south of
the previous advisory.  There has been a fairly significant shift
in the guidance late in the forecast period...with the global
models abruptly weakening the mid-level high over the western Gulf
and allowing Rita to begin a sharper recurvature track.  While I
have adjusted the 120-hr point about 120 nm north of the previous
advisory...I am still well to the left of most of the 120-hr
guidance.  

Water vapor imagery shows that the upper-level low in the northwest
Caribbean is shifting eastward...and as it does so the southerly
shear over Rita will continue to decrease.  This should allow for a
faster development rate.  The official forecast is very close to
the SHIPS guidance.

 
Forecaster Franklin

 

 
forecast positions and Max winds

 
initial      19/0900z 22.7n  74.3w    50 kt
 12hr VT     19/1800z 23.1n  76.0w    60 kt
 24hr VT     20/0600z 23.6n  78.5w    70 kt
 36hr VT     20/1800z 24.0n  81.2w    80 kt
 48hr VT     21/0600z 24.2n  84.0w    90 kt
 72hr VT     22/0600z 24.5n  88.5w   100 kt
 96hr VT     23/0600z 25.5n  92.5w   100 kt
120hr VT     24/0600z 27.5n  96.0w    95 kt

33 posted on 09/19/2005 2:12:53 AM PDT by glock rocks (WYGIWYG !)
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To: Dane
Yeah this map is from the same folks that said Ophelia would hit South Carolina as a CAT 2 or 3. So I pay no attention to what they say. Not to mention the problems they caused Houston in 1988 when they said that monster storm would hit them directly and it wound up going into Mexico.
34 posted on 09/19/2005 2:45:58 AM PDT by watchyourwallet
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To: newzjunkey
Over here
35 posted on 09/19/2005 3:27:13 AM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)
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To: topher

As posted on Rita live thread:

Rita appears to be taking a similar track to Katrina. Not that I wish bad on anyone, but I hope it continues west and hits in Mexico. We in Florida and the Gulf Coast have had more than enough of our share of hurricanes in the past two years. Somebody else's turn.


36 posted on 09/19/2005 3:52:47 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: topher

There was already an ongoing Rita thread that this should have been posted to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1486960/posts


37 posted on 09/19/2005 3:55:22 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: topher

Let's keep this thread going as a high graphics thread.


38 posted on 09/19/2005 4:50:13 AM PDT by TaxRelief (follow the money...)
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To: TaxRelief


39 posted on 09/19/2005 4:55:18 AM PDT by TaxRelief (follow the money...)
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To: TaxRelief
If it zigzagged to the north a bit, it would be heading towards south and central Florida.

But we're out of the loop for this one, aren't we?

40 posted on 09/19/2005 5:03:33 AM PDT by Guenevere (God bless our military!...and God bless the President of the United States!)
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