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LIVE THREAD - German polls closed: AP: SCHROEDER DEFEATED!
SABC NEWS ^ | September 18, 2005, 08:15

Posted on 09/18/2005 12:12:37 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi

Voting began in Germany's closely fought election today with millions of undecided voters holding the key to a result that will have major implications for economic reform in Europe.

Angela Merkel, a Christian Democrat (CDU) chancellor, is expected to emerge as Germany's first woman chancellor, displacing Gerhard Schroeder who has led Germany for the past seven years at the head of a centre-left government of Social Democrats and Greens.

A provisional result is expected to be announced in the early hours of Monday morning. The final opinion polls published on Friday gave Merkel's centre-right coalition with the liberal Free Democrats (FDP) a slim lead in a race it once dominated.

High stakes For Germany and the rest of Europe, the stakes in the election are high. Some five million Germans are out of work, the country's pensions system is in crisis, its public finances are overstretched and the economy that once drove growth in Europe is now acting as a drag on the rest of the continent.

Analysts say that if Germany succeeds in pushing through reforms, they could be a model for change in the rest of Europe. Surveys show that most Germans believe the system needs changing but they are deeply uncertain about how far the changes should go and how the burden should be shared.

Schroeder's own "Agenda 2010" reforms to welfare and labour market rules have been the most ambitious attempt to overhaul the social security system in decades. They have been attacked by the conservatives and by some commentators as not going far enough. The reforms were bitterly resented by voters. - Reuters


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To: melancholy

Preliminary Results here:

http://medienkritik.typepad.com/


101 posted on 09/18/2005 9:18:10 AM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Jabbar Gibson for mayor of Newer Orleans)
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To: Dog; Heartofsong83

Uffff, it was in general. Plese let us see the results.


102 posted on 09/18/2005 9:18:59 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: JulieRNR21

Thanks, Julie.


103 posted on 09/18/2005 9:21:08 AM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: Name ONE country, other than the USA, that doesn’t control its borders.)
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To: All



"Its official now yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees she won she won she won yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4258376.stm

this is very very very good:}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}


104 posted on 09/18/2005 9:21:42 AM PDT by anonymoussierra ("The wisdom of the wise and the experience of ages-Isaac Disraeli")
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To: JulieRNR21
This is a big loss for Angela Merkel, her partner from the CSU said they wanted 45%.

I believe Angela Merkel will resign now as consequence.
105 posted on 09/18/2005 9:22:18 AM PDT by Kill Osama
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To: alessandrofiaschi
Uffff, it was in general

So let me get this right Heartsong said screw the exit polls and lets see real votes.....and you report him to the Moderator?

You done host to many live threads do you.....they tend to be free flowing.

106 posted on 09/18/2005 9:22:56 AM PDT by Dog ( We haven't forgotten you Commander Michael Speicher)
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To: Kill Osama

What turnip truck did you just fall off of?


107 posted on 09/18/2005 9:23:46 AM PDT by Dog ( We haven't forgotten you Commander Michael Speicher)
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To: Kill Osama
That would be incredible! We shall wait the results. Rebus sic stantibus the sum of all "red-green" parties would be the majority...
108 posted on 09/18/2005 9:23:54 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

Sweet! (I think ...)


109 posted on 09/18/2005 9:23:57 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: All

The magic number is 299. ZDF has CDU/CSU/FDP coming in at around 292.

Does anyone know when we can expect some real numbers to come out?


110 posted on 09/18/2005 9:24:12 AM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: Dog

The same one that the liberals fell off who said the tricameral win across America was really a win for the Rats.


111 posted on 09/18/2005 9:27:30 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah, exit polls.

I think I wait for the actual results before breaking out the champagne.


112 posted on 09/18/2005 9:27:53 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: GiveEmDubya

The Electoral sysmem admits a sort of majority's premium. We will see...


113 posted on 09/18/2005 9:28:38 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: FairOpinion

As usual Poll a product of leftist media bias.


114 posted on 09/18/2005 9:29:25 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: GiveEmDubya

Expect the final results in around 6 hours, but the number of 292 will not change much. SPD and CDU both lost votes, the winners are the liberals (FDP) and the commies.

This will end in a great coalition between CDU (Christian Demokratic) and SPD (Socialists).


115 posted on 09/18/2005 9:30:06 AM PDT by Kill Osama
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To: Kill Osama

Heh heh.

You want to wager on that?


116 posted on 09/18/2005 9:31:14 AM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: Kill Osama

I cannot believe that the damn PDS communists are at 10%. What a joke! Germany is utterly hopeless. I am so glad that I will be leaving here and going back to the States soon. This many votes for outright communists is sickening.


117 posted on 09/18/2005 9:31:21 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: Kill Osama

Not necessary. If CDU-CDU will be aroung 38-39 she could have a majority premium (jointly with Liberals).


118 posted on 09/18/2005 9:31:55 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: Kill Osama
I hope she won't. Yes, the real problem is that the center/right coalition won't work anymore with 45%. However, this MAY still change. Final results should be available in maybe three hours or so.

Right now the "best" possible coalition would be CDU/SPD which probably couldn't accomplish much.

Let's see how things work out.
119 posted on 09/18/2005 9:33:13 AM PDT by flieger (Go Angie! / No more Moore please!!!)
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To: Kill Osama

The number of seats is not fixed. If more candidates win their local election than seats are won by their party there will be additional seats in parliament.


120 posted on 09/18/2005 9:34:14 AM PDT by sumocide
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