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Federal Judge Declares Pledge Of Allegiance Unconstitutional
Click2Houston.com ^ | 1:07 pm CDT September 14, 2005 | AP

Posted on 09/14/2005 1:26:12 PM PDT by FreedomCalls

SAN FRANCISCO -- A federal judge in San Francisco ruled Wednesday it is unconstitutional for public school children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton ruled that the pledge's reference to one nation "under God" violates school children's right to be "free from a coercive requirement to affirm God."

Karlton said he's bound by precedent set by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which ruled in 2002 that it was unconstitutional for the Pledge to be recited in public schools.

The Supreme Court threw out that case, ruling that Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow had no standing to bring the legal action.

Newdow objected to the words "under God" in the pledge.

Newdow brought the second case to the federal court -- this time, representing unidentified parents and their children.

Wednesday's decision sets up another constitutional showdown over the pledge.

The Becket Fund, a religious rights group that is a party to the case, said it would immediately appeal the case to the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

If the court does not change its precedent, the group would go to the Supreme Court.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; americanflag; antiamerican; antitheist; churchandstate; constitution; flag; government; newdow; ninthcircuit; pledge; schools
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To: The Noodle

Well now, I read today's decision, and apparently the Supreme Court "reversed," rather than "vacated," the prior Newdow case. However, the district court's reasoning that the 9th Circuit decision is still binding because it was "reversed" on the grounds of "prudential standing" is, IMHO, nonsense. Of course it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things because this case will go to the 9th Circuit regardless of what the district court judge decided.


21 posted on 09/14/2005 3:02:18 PM PDT by The Noodle
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To: upier
UnF'n Believable

You're not really surprised, are you?

ML/NJ

22 posted on 09/14/2005 3:05:29 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: FreedomCalls

What is happening to my country?

I'm really getting scared.

GOD bless the USA!


23 posted on 09/14/2005 3:06:16 PM PDT by Calif4Bush
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To: FreedomCalls

Last time this happened, Congress was fuming mad. Where's the outrage now? Oops, don't want to get Roberts in there too easy.


24 posted on 09/14/2005 3:07:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: FreedomCalls
Perhaps it's time for us to take back our children from the control of the state.

This will come to SCOTUS. That is certain.

I suggest FReepers start doing their homework. Some seem to feel that this ruling will be shot down by the Supreme Court, but I, for one, cannot be comfortable with such "feelings," considering the destruction activist courts have wrought on this country.

Try reading WISCONSIN v. YODER ET AL. for starters.

1972 SCOTUS ruling on compulsory education for Amish children.

25 posted on 09/14/2005 3:09:15 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: DustyMoment
Here ya go.....


26 posted on 09/14/2005 3:09:24 PM PDT by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135/Combat Apple, Class of '68)
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To: The Noodle

It's not nonsense. As far as the 9th circuit goes, the original ruling is still in effect until it is overruled by a higher court.


27 posted on 09/14/2005 3:46:25 PM PDT by jess35
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To: sageb1
Perhaps it's time for us to take back our children from the control of the state.

The real question is, why in the hell would any responsible parent EVER put their child in the control of the state?

28 posted on 09/14/2005 3:48:38 PM PDT by jess35
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To: DoraC
It was tossed on procedural grounds, but the reasoning still stands, and lower courts are still bound by it.

No the reasoning does not still stand. The case was tossed. It is not a precedent for anything. Period.

29 posted on 09/14/2005 3:49:09 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: jess35
he original ruling is still in effect until it is overruled by a higher court

It was tossed.

30 posted on 09/14/2005 3:49:55 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: FreedomCalls

The tyranny of the minority.


31 posted on 09/14/2005 3:55:32 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: jess35
The entire Fran-freako Circus is nothing but nonsense. It should be abolished, or at least constrained in its jurisdiction to a few small deep-blue states (California and various Pacific territories, possibly with Hawai'i).
32 posted on 09/14/2005 3:55:43 PM PDT by dufekin (US Senate: the only place where the majority [D] comprises fewer than the minority [R])
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To: Chinito

Thanks. I had it somewhere, I just couldn't find it and it seemed particularly appropriate.


33 posted on 09/14/2005 4:27:46 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: FreedomCalls
U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton ruled that the pledge's reference to one nation "under God" violates school children's right to be "free from a coercive requirement to affirm God."

I wonder where this right that school children have to be "free from a coercive requirement to affirm God" is derived from. It's certainly not stated in the U.S. Constitution.

34 posted on 09/14/2005 4:33:58 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: SF Republican
easy there, it is just where the court is located, we had nothing to do with the decision.

Don't worry, buddy. You'll get a 72 hour evacuation warning. :-)

35 posted on 09/14/2005 4:45:33 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: The Noodle; DoraC

Thanx for the explanation....


36 posted on 09/14/2005 4:54:06 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: FreedomCalls



Ninth circus losers, take note from our friend Sam Adams -

" If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that which feed you. May your chain be set lightly upon you and posterity forget ye were our countrymen."


Maybe the Ninth circus court should be the target of a "special commission" set up to investigate them, so that they may be disbarred, and America can reject these seditionists.


Maybe Red Skelton could clue them up here.
37 posted on 09/14/2005 4:59:54 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: AndyJackson

No, it was not.


38 posted on 09/14/2005 5:00:14 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Calif4Bush

The reason it's happening is because true patriots in office - afraid of public opinion - are afraid to confront the secular left with the truth: America is a nation conceived under God, the Judeo-Christain God, like it or leave it, and we believe in the supreme greatness of this God to guide our country to glory and defeat our enemies. Until we can stand up openly for such principles, the enemies of the state will continue to get their way, ignited by the the sedition ring leader in the supreme court, godd old Ruth Bater, who is also a traitor to her religion.


39 posted on 09/14/2005 5:01:45 PM PDT by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: FreedomCalls
SAN FRANCISCO -- A federal judge in San Francisco ruled Wednesday it is unconstitutional for public school children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

Meanwhile in 49 other states that are not terminally struck by liberalism and idiocy, the pledge recitations continue.

40 posted on 09/14/2005 5:02:52 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (An elected Legislature can trample a man's rights as easy as a King can.)
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