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Fox News Just Said Federal Judge says Pledge "Un-Constitutional"

Posted on 09/14/2005 11:02:25 AM PDT by nov7freedomday

Just heard on top of the hour on Fox News Radio


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; americanflag; antiamerican; antitheist; churchandstate; constitution; flag; government; judicialactivism; newdow; ninthcircuit; pledge; ruling; schools; unconstitutional; undergod
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To: Minnie Pearl

Welcome to Free Republic, Minnie Pearl


121 posted on 09/14/2005 11:25:09 AM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: CondorFlight
I guess 'stare decisis' ('a thing decided'), has no weight at all when it comes to traditional practices.

In the case of The Pledge of Allegiance...res ipsa loquitur.

122 posted on 09/14/2005 11:25:28 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!")
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To: OESY

How very Rovian of him!


123 posted on 09/14/2005 11:25:37 AM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: nov7freedomday

Bad timing. Really bad.


124 posted on 09/14/2005 11:26:03 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: Paradox
ABSOLUTELY! Thanks for bringing it up. I wouldn't mind it being trimmed BACK to what it was, originally.

Well considering the original was written by a socialist that would fit right in with what this nation is becoming daily. Good riddance. Haven't said it for years and IIRC neither did any Framers say pledges to pieces of cloth.

125 posted on 09/14/2005 11:26:08 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: West Coast Conservative

ABC news has a short article at http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1125639
Rush said it was the 9th Circuit that ruled.


126 posted on 09/14/2005 11:27:30 AM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

A darling of liberal moonbats ~ Bump!


127 posted on 09/14/2005 11:27:30 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Soul Seeker
But if a Court thinks they can strike down God in the Pledge in today's climate, they can think again.

The people will revolt against them.

Nonsense. Completely and utterly over-the-top ridiculous.

"The people" don't even attend church regularly. You really think they are going to take up arms to ensure that the government recognizes a Deity mentioned nowhere in the Constitution?

-Eric

128 posted on 09/14/2005 11:28:06 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: granite

You incorrectly assume that they ARE thinking.


129 posted on 09/14/2005 11:29:12 AM PDT by HKMk23 (Favorite movie of the MSM -- "Hatriot Games")
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To: E Rocc

Besides no one is stopping anyone from saying 'Under God' if they choose. The state just can't tell you to do so.


130 posted on 09/14/2005 11:29:12 AM PDT by Borges
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To: nov7freedomday
The and the LIBS since they LOVE international law won't like having this shoved down their gullets

United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 18

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

The real background issue is best said by the late Red Skelton

The late Red Skelton spoke the following words on his television program as he related the story of his teacher, Mr. Laswell, who felt his students, had come to think of the Pledge of Allegiance as merely something to recite in class each day.




Now, more than ever, listen to the meaning of these words.

"I've been listening to you boys and girls recite the Pledge of Allegiance all semester and it seems as though it is becoming monotonous to you. If I may, may I recite it and try to explain to you the meaning of each word?"

I -- me, an individual, a committee of one.
Pledge -- dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity.
Allegiance -- my love and my devotion.
To the flag -- our standard, Old Glory, a symbol of freedom. Wherever she waves, there's respect because your loyalty has given that shouts freedom is everybody's job!
United -- that means that we have all come together.
States -- individual communities that have united into 48 great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose; all divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that's love for country.
And to the republic -- a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern.
And government is the people and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.
For which it stands, one nation under God -- one nation, meaning, "so blessed by God"
Indivisible -- incapable of being divided.
With liberty -- which is freedom -- the right of power to live one's own life without threats, fear or some sort of retaliation.
And Justice -- the principle or quality of dealing fairly with others.
For all -- which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.

Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance...
UNDER GOD
Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too?

God Bless America!

131 posted on 09/14/2005 11:29:47 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: nov7freedomday
Apparently, Newdow found a couple families with unquestionable standing willing to be the plaintiffs of record.

Hopefully, this time he remembered to attack the Constitutionality of the 1954 law.

-Eric

132 posted on 09/14/2005 11:29:47 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: Ben Mugged

SCOTUS sent the case back to the 9th Jerkit Court of Schlemiels when they said the father didnt have legal custody....the atheists must have added the mother to the case.


133 posted on 09/14/2005 11:29:59 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: nov7freedomday

Its nice to see the contrast between....wacko judge and sane judge on display


134 posted on 09/14/2005 11:30:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Howlin

Probably right after Feinstein gets done grilling him about Roe, as she is doing as I type.

She says he is more subdued this afternoon than he was this morning and asked him "Did someone caution you over lunch?" LOL!

I should head on over to the live thread...


135 posted on 09/14/2005 11:30:15 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: MindBender26

Yes, he was drawing a distinction between a government based on "the state" and one based on higher, moral principles. Someone said he got the line from an Abe Lincoln speech.


136 posted on 09/14/2005 11:30:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: nov7freedomday

It seems to me this leads directly to claiming that U.S. currency is unconstitutional.


137 posted on 09/14/2005 11:30:20 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: tiredoflaundry

Yes, it's Newdow. This time, he represented two other families, since he himself had no standing in the case he had before the Supreme Court.


138 posted on 09/14/2005 11:30:36 AM PDT by mak5
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To: nov7freedomday

I have never been so angered in my life! this is what those retards in the senate want... judicial activism.


139 posted on 09/14/2005 11:30:51 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: nov7freedomday

From Communist Goals...

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.


140 posted on 09/14/2005 11:31:10 AM PDT by neverhome (If Michael Jackson eats a fruitcake... izzit cannilbalism???)
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